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Children Assaulted/Critical but stable condition

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Claire2009 · 05/04/2009 22:09

Two boys aged 10 & 11 being questioned about this. Don't know how to do links but this might work

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7984392.stm

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PeachyWithTheBirthdayBas · 08/04/2009 14:44

ds1 isalmostten and wouldnt now anything about sexual acts (outside the procreation / or what gay people do basics obv).

says a lot imho about their early life

But I do hope to God those lo's who were victims are getting some decentquality help with all this now.

Watchtheworldcomealivetonight · 08/04/2009 14:55

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beanieb · 08/04/2009 14:59

Donnie - which news reports have said there were humiliating sexual acts? Do you have a source?

I have read that there are legal restrictions which mean that their names and all of the charges can't be reported. Has a newspaper reported there being sexual acts? I can't see it in any papers I've looked at online.

Nancy66 · 08/04/2009 15:02

Yes, I've read that there was sexual assault too but can't remember where i'm afraid as I read every paper.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:06

I can't even see it in the Daily Mirror (online) ... am going to have a look on the works newspaper database. I would have thought reporting this would have been stopped TBH.

smallorange · 08/04/2009 15:10

They can report the charges but not ID ANY of the kids involved.

But because they can't ID the kids, they can report some of the background - as long as it doesn't lead to identification.

Is it being heard at juvenile court?

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:10

Beanieit's in The sun, not exactly reliable I know but sure Iread it in the Telegraph or something too.

The emails have started already too apparently circulating names and photo's.

That is not the crap we need to be dealing out at this point in time.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:11

Ah - found it. The Sun.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:12

crossed posts.

the Times are reporting that the accused showed littel reaction, the tabloids have them smirking. Go figure.

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:15

or anytime but YKWIM.

Media seem to have evolved onto trying to sidetrack people by reporting about the family instead just so they ahve an excuse to print about the case I did'nt think that would've been allowed.

I was'nt old enough during RT and JV case to remember but is this what they did then? Or is it just because of the amount of data they can get a hold of now?

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:18

the press have restrictions on them and they are not allowed to print the names of the victims, the accused or their family.

With the Bulger Case as far as I remember the names were printed in the press.

I work in a media envorinment and I could, if I wanted to, use the electoral register to look at who lives at any address in that area and get names that way. All newspapers would have this ability and would have had for several years.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:19

Anyone over 18 who is registered to vote, that is.

smallorange · 08/04/2009 15:23

They could print the names of the boys who killed James Bulger because the case was murder and thus heard in an adult Crown Court.

If they wanted anonymity, the judge could make an order - but in the Bulger case, it obviously didn't happen.

In juvenile court it is all anonymous.

If you were to print or write the names on the internet you would be in contempt of court - and could go to prison!

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:23

Were'nt they Child A and B in the Bulger case?

For talkingsake if I get an email with names and photo's of Culprits should I report to the police?

Oh I don't know it's all so confusing with sketchy details and random things being thrown about and then children who have alledgedly been attacked taking press interviews just all seems a bit publicity to me. Does that make sense obviously not in a good way but just drawing more and more attention to how 'bad' these kids are and basically fuelling hatred.

Nancy66 · 08/04/2009 15:25

Beanie - after the Bulger boys were convicted it was the judge who allowed them to be identified.

smallorange · 08/04/2009 15:31

Hmm maybe there was an order made at the time - I can't remember the specifics as was only a student and was a long time ago. I'm sure these children will remain anonymous to all intents and purposes.

I wouldn't bother reporting emails to police - just don't pass it on.

It's all a sick mess. Have not read anything about this case as it makes me feel ill.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:34

Nancy66 - Ah, I wasn't sure TBH. All I knew was the names made it into the press somehow.

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:36

I won't pass them on anyway would just delete and not read, so far I have had 3 one of which I looked at the other 2 I did not.

An email entitled 'Check this scum' is not appealing to em I have to say Probably not even them, no one will ever know I guess.

One of DP's best friend's is in Doncaster and he says the speculation is RIFE, apparently a gang were caught painting death threats on the path near their home or something am a bit shocked that goes on, I think they should be locked up and rehabillitated but I don't think that should be allowed.

ladymariner · 08/04/2009 15:40

I've followed this news story with absolute horror, and tbh, I truly don't care where they put these "boys", as long as it's somewhere they can never hurt anyone else again. Yes, I'm fully expecting to get flamed to high heavens, told I'm uncaring, a DM reader etc etc blah blah blah, but my thoughts and sympathy is with the two boys who were injured horrendously in this, the real victims. God only knows what they went through, and how they will get over it, so I really couldn't care less about the evil little bastards who did this to them.

As regards an earlier post, the murderers of James Bulger were described as "terrified little boys"!!!! Well, how bloody terrified was James as they led him away from his mother to be tortured to death by them? I read a book by a detective on that case, and I really wish I hadn't, the details haunt me even now.
I'm just amazed by some of the bleeding hearts on here, tbh.

beanieb · 08/04/2009 15:46

If I received the emails then I would reply to all on the list explaining why I think it's totally nappropriate to send that kind of thing on and I would ask them to never ever send anything like that to me again.

Ladymariner, I can't see bleeding hearts. I still stand by what I said earlier which you may have missed.

"I feel so much compassion for the two kids who were attacked and their families, but I don't think a normal reaction would be to express compassion for them, but then completely ignore the other two children in this case.

They need our compassion too because they are still kids, they are obviously damaged and it would be so much better if as a society we had something in place which allowed us to deal with these kinds of kids in a compassionate way rather than just calling for their blood.

I just think that there will always be people throwing about the words 'evil' at children who have done terrible things.

this is worth a read

I'm not going to accuse you of being a DM readewr (I assume you're not) or flame you, but I am once again disappointed by the lack of compassion to ALL concerned that you display in your post.

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:47

Ladymariner I went through all of that yesterday, as you have probably read.

Cannot understand how they can be described as 'poor boys', I do kind of get the well iof that's all they know thing but they still dont deserve the sympathy they are getting from some.

smallorange · 08/04/2009 15:50

Ladymariner - I wrote that.

Am not a 'bleeding heart,' far from it. But any person can see that when terrible crimes are committed by children, we need to look at ourselves and ask why these kids did what they did.

They were not born that way. Adults failed them.

And we need to ask whether the way they were dealt with was the best possible in a civilised society.

And the point about James is implicitly understood by everyone. It's a point that does not need to be made. It's in all our worst nightmares as parents.

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:53

Am I the only person who just does'nt find that article interesting at all?

It just makes me think welll if that was my kid I'd be shouting from the rooftops!

I know that's not the right approach but I can't help but put myself in the shoes of the parent who's child has been killed/abused/assaulted.

I read that rticle a few years (maybe last year) and thought they were all mental and sounded as though they did'nt really care either way, which I found strange.

ladymariner · 08/04/2009 15:55

My compassion is given to those who I think deserve it, in this case the two boys lying battered in hospital, so I'm afraid I couldn't care less whether you are disappointed in me or not

Thanks, mamadiva, you came in for some stick yesterday I see, but i happen to agree with you.

mamadiva · 08/04/2009 15:56

If it were my child who had been tortured and killed by anyone child/adult/animal whatever I would happily go to jail for murder I really do.

I know that is the totally wrong approach but sadly I really do think that's how I'd react.

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