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Poor Jade fading fast - she looks quite beautiful......

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PillicockSatOnPillicockHill · 27/02/2009 21:44

and do you know what

i wont have a bad word said about her

Poor girl

Shit parents and crappy childhood
YES she went in BB and acted like a fool and YES she went in BB a second ime and said some ignorant racist stuff

but she was 'ill educated' and she did not 'know better' but in her favour :

she educated herself

she learned her lesson

she apologised and meant it

I AM a fan of Jade

I like her a lot and feel much sadness at this vibrant and humour full life cut short

Her little boys were goign to have the mother she never had and i SO relate to that

so KISSES for Jade tonight and much love -sign in if you wish !

No dessention please - not on here!

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AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 13:58

very true, threadworm.

daftpunk, you should take it up with the pisstakers then. none of them are on the thread now, i think, having long since moved on. you're mourning a thread that didn't happen. like you say, 10 posts in and it was already something else. that's forums for you.

daftpunk · 05/03/2009 14:05

oh don't worry aitch..i did take it up with a few of them...they kindly started a thread solely to take the piss....very obliging of them i thought....

and you're right...time to move on..i'm not having some kinda "post off" to see who can last the longest

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 14:19

i am. mwaaaaaah haaa haaaaaaa.

2shoes · 05/03/2009 14:22

why pisstakers??
is it piss takinging not to want to weep and wail??

DollyMessiter · 05/03/2009 15:11

"Dolly, really need to clear this up - I am not on about arguing or about people attempting to shout others down - if that's what turns you on - I am on about MN Towers giving into demands from other MNetters to segregate other MNetters threads simply because they aren't to their taste and when they could simply press 'ignore' and never see the thread again."

MT, my post was in reply to another poster, who was complaining about people "shouting down" other posters.

It wasn't in reference to any of your posts.
I totally understand your pov, and have more than a little sympathy with it.

(I've made a vague attempt to go back and find the post I was referring to, but I fear it is lost amongst the shouting down. )

Lemontart · 05/03/2009 19:11

Really interesting point about the marmite persona, threadworm. Not thought about it like that but I do think you have a really good point there.

(Realise it is time to move on and not trying to get the thread moving again, just popped in, read threadworm?s posts and could not help but comment as not heard the term marmite persona before and think it is a spot on, great description)

Mintyy · 05/03/2009 19:50

Ach, I can't post on a thread unless I've read the whole of it and now that I've finally had the time to do so it seems to have wound down. No doubt a good thing.

I've now read every single post and I think this by Divineintervention:

"You either have compassion and sympathy for this woman and her situation and you post a comment or you don't and therefore you don't post. Is it neccessary to tell anyone that you don't care? Isn't that a little strange and attention seeking?"

should be its epitaph. Hopefully.

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 20:44

and what a stupid epitaph that would be, given that everyone has said that they do feel sympathy for the woman. which thread was it you read, mintyy? certainly not this one.

lemon it was me who said marmite first, threadworm copied, Miss.

Mintyy · 05/03/2009 20:57

I cannot think of a suitable reply to what you have just said Aitch but nevertheless feel the need to let you know that I saw it.

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 20:58

good-oh.

Pristina · 05/03/2009 21:03

I think you must have missed Desiderata's posts Aitch (and hasn't this thread taken up enough of your life yet?- v odd).

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 21:12

what a bitchy thing to say. and how odd, given that you are still posting on it too... [glass houses]

how long is this thread now? HUNDREDS of posts. and if one person has said she doesn't care about jade goody then so what indeed? it's not enought to characterise an entire thread.

i find it completely oppressive that on this and other emotive issues you can't have an opinion that departs from the 'squish squish i'm so sad' mean without being identified repeatedly and despite statements to the contrary as someone who is uncaring. you well know that the vast, vast, VAST majority has said that they feel for the woman, but that this need not beatify her.

and i thought that given mintyy had made no contribution to the thread prior to her epitaph, her post was, to coin a phrase from DivineIntervention's post... a little strange and attention-seeking.

every single time this thread gets interesting someone comes on and sets themselves up as better than the rest of us because they care more... it's absolutely stomach-churning.

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 21:14

and it's JUST as irritating when people come on and set themselves up as caring LESS. it's just that there have only been, what, TWO of them and hundreds of you, Pristina.

tiredsville · 05/03/2009 21:31

Lol, about one or two pages expressing sorrow for Jade and the rest bickering per usual.

Gunnerbean · 05/03/2009 22:28

Surely anyone who has a shred of humility (and the luxury of a life ahead of them) should be able to find it within themselves to allow a person with just a few days left to live to do just whatever they choose to do in, and with, those remaining few days?

Should they not be allowed, and indeed encouraged, to do whatever makes them feel happiest provided they are not harming others? Should they not be allowed to do it without fear of judgement from others who haven't a clue what it feels like to know you'll be dead soon?

Really, should it actually bother anyone here what Jade Goody does in her final days?

All this pointless judgement of Jade and over examination of her motives at this stage in her life is churlish in the extreme.

Threadworm · 05/03/2009 23:10

With humilty I would like to confirm that 'Marmite persona' is Aitch's term not mine.

I am coining the term Bovril persona -- for anyone who, like Bovril, is made out of all the boiled up maddest bits of mad cows. Shall we have it as the collective persona of Mumsnet, or shall we allocate it to a favoured few?

AitchTwoOh · 05/03/2009 23:34

it bothers me, since you ask, beacause the whole country is buying into the fucked-upness of jade goody's need for attention and i fear that the cameron photo demonstrates that already her coverage is leading readers to expect more access in future to the dying and bereaved.
her lack of identity without the cameras is re-drawing the rules on appropriate intrusion for newsspapers and readers.

MsPith · 05/03/2009 23:57

I don't think Aitch came up with 'Marmite Persona' herself, as Jade said during recent interviews that she's like Marmite, you either love her or hate her. Hardly imaginative Aitch...

JG's need for attention may just come from her fucked up childhood, for which she is hardly culpable. This attention apparently makes her feel better and less alone and I for one don't begrudge her that.

AitchTwoOh · 06/03/2009 00:43

dur. i didn't say i made it up, fgs, it's a well-established term.

i don't begrudge her the attention personally, (i don't feel anything personally wrt JG, i've never met her) and like you i'm sure her fear of being without press attention stems from what sounds like a pretty catastrophic childhood. that's been talked about on this thread already, how she may indeed crave the cameras for some semblance of fucked-up normality.

however, i do believe that it will have and indeed is already having repercussions and that it's basically Not A Good Thing.

and i do think we should be able to discuss that without a bunch of bleeding hearts chiming in with their 'i yam considerably more caring than yewe' bit. You're not, in fact i'm a very caring person, especially towards people who i've met. You're all a bit deluded if you ask me, why the hell will Jade Goody care one way or another whether someone is concerned at the way she is selling her death? she will, in her own words, be dead within the month.

But the legacy she'll leave behind, of how a person can be famous for nothing and make a fortune out of selling her life and her death, of how such a celebrity can be cast out utterly and then redeemed by cancer... i find that totally fascinating and worthy of discussion.

Threadworm · 06/03/2009 09:24

I like that post v much Aitch.

Lemontart · 06/03/2009 09:56

That little catty swipe at Aitch "hardly original.." was rather unnecessary there.

Aitch/threadworm : you both (and a small handful of others) have written some thought provoking and interesting points on this thread, sorry to have missed Aitch?s earlier use of the term tbh. even when I have disagreed with some of the things you might have posted, still have enjoyed reading them and found them thought provoking because you do not stoop to name calling or sidetracking the topic - pleasant change on this thread! I am not sucking up here and do not blindly agree with everything I read, just wish more people would stick to reasoned debate and argue their points without needing to make little side comments, cheap laughs at other?s expenses or downright rudeness. Too much of that has gone on in this thread.

morningsun · 06/03/2009 10:11

Aitch agree its odd to be famous for just being who you are as opposed to what you have done in your life.This is due to the media and news becoming no more than a trumped up form of gossip even if its about politics and certainly when it "reports" on film premieres,fashion week,celebritiesetc.

jade is a victim of the media in that they've hounded her and pretended to befriend her with their own agenda,and she has played them at their own game to make money.

The behaviour of the intrusive media is much worse imo than her capitalising on it and i think their methods should be more clearly restricted.They can ruin peoples lives.

I hope Jade is pain free and peaceful and getting some comfort from those around her now.

AitchTwoOh · 06/03/2009 10:13

to be fair, i did call someone an idiot for saying that the Jade racism scandal was pc gorn mad. it was deleted but i stand by my assessment.

i DO think there's such an fascinating discussion to be had here. as daftpunk pointed out, it became a different thread to the one the OP intended at about 10 posts in... why can't people get over that and engage in a more interesting conversation?

AitchTwoOh · 06/03/2009 10:21

while i think it would be a stretch to say that the media is a victim of jade, morningsun, i don't agree that she's a victim in this story at all. it's very much a relationship, as exemplified by the presence of max clifford.

she manipulates them by ringing them to say where she is etc, they manipulate the story to fit whatever pages there are around it etc.

it's quite sophisticated in real life, tbh, people putting things in and keeping other stuff out, making trades, and there are real relationships at play as well. some mag eds went easier on her during the racism scandal, i'd hazard because they'd met her and liked her.

big brother, you could almost argue since jade, has been the bread and butter of summer tabloid sales. the contestants go in knowing that (to the detriment of the programme, i'd say). many cocntestants goes on there wanting to 'do a jade', ie, make a name for themselves as a fun hate figure on the show and then pull it back just in time. something nasty nick never managed to do because he wasn't sweet enough. unlike jade.

so no, i think the idea that she is hounded and doesn't enjoy or invite the attention is pretty far off the mark. she relies on it, perhaps at a psychological level but certainly at a financial one. she can't make a living without the cameras, she's selling herself.

daftpunk · 06/03/2009 10:30

hold my coat 2shoes

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