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Poor Jade fading fast - she looks quite beautiful......

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PillicockSatOnPillicockHill · 27/02/2009 21:44

and do you know what

i wont have a bad word said about her

Poor girl

Shit parents and crappy childhood
YES she went in BB and acted like a fool and YES she went in BB a second ime and said some ignorant racist stuff

but she was 'ill educated' and she did not 'know better' but in her favour :

she educated herself

she learned her lesson

she apologised and meant it

I AM a fan of Jade

I like her a lot and feel much sadness at this vibrant and humour full life cut short

Her little boys were goign to have the mother she never had and i SO relate to that

so KISSES for Jade tonight and much love -sign in if you wish !

No dessention please - not on here!

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Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 19:29

Anyway, I wasn't going to re-register, but I thought, if I just go and without stating why, then I would be betraying how important MN has been to me over the last few years, becasue of it's members vigorous defence of free speech and capacity for sophistricated debate. I have learnt a lot on here. That does all seem but gone now. The attempts of MNetters to shut people up if their attempts at argument fail - blackballing them, the personal, shockingly slanderous attacks, I've even been told 'I'd be careful what you say if I were you' is, to me, really insidious. I hope it isn't a symptom of a wider problem. It really worries me sometimes - but hey ho.

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 19:31

Yeah, but then what is 'ignore' for Lulu? It's not up to any MNetter to stifle any debate on MN surely?

Ronaldinhio · 04/03/2009 19:34

Mumsnet in general is far from what you describe here mt.
If you honestly feel that way about all of the great things that happen here then perhaps it is time for you to leave. I hope you find another site as welcoming that suits you better.

Perhaps the fit isn't right for you right now but don't try to tar all of mumsnet with the same stick.

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 19:35

lol.

Sorry, just seen your previous post Lulu - can't get used to the new format as I had mine on classic before i registered-reregistered.

"what does 'medatious' mean" I meant mendacious. I am a shit speller, I know.

Ronaldinhio · 04/03/2009 19:38

Just for clarity are you staying or going?

I don't mean that in a controlling or sinister way

daftpunk · 04/03/2009 19:38

who's telling you to be careful what you say MT....and did they say it with a harvey keitel accent?

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 19:44

It was sometime last year DP. I laughed it off as it was ridiculous.

I went silently. I came back. I think I'll save any future exit for a stand on free speech, if needs be. Thats my own sword of damocles though.

IorekByrnison · 04/03/2009 19:53

It's funny, I've been thinking that mumsnet has become a much more free and fair place lately. Can't think why that should be

daftpunk · 04/03/2009 19:56

lol..reservoir dogs is one of my fave films...hope it doesn't show

i take it all with a pinch of salt...had so much thrown at me...(all water off a punk's back).....in the 18 months i've been here i've never reported a single post...i believe in freedom of speech.

DollyMessiter · 04/03/2009 19:59

Oh dear lord, "shouting down" is vital.
If no-one did it, we'd be wallowing neck deep in sleb gossip and baby name threads.
The tide is already rising - I feel like the fat woman from The Poseidon Adventure; I never did get my 250m swimming badge.

smallorange · 04/03/2009 20:03

I think the Jade deabte has been quite interesting. If we were all lighting a candle for Jade by this point, I would probably de-register myself.

AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2009 20:14

"the attempts of MNetters to shut people up if their attempts at argument fail - blackballing them, the personal, shockingly slanderous attacks, I've even been told 'I'd be careful what you say if I were you' is, to me, really insidious."

to which i say... BOLLOCKS.

i'm surprised at you, MT, re-registering solely in order to threaten to flounce?

Ronaldinhio · 04/03/2009 20:18

(what this thread needs now is some troll calling)

If you are indeed.... MonkeyTrousers....ah ha!!!!

Lulumama · 04/03/2009 20:36

lol @ harvey keitel

i thought me and rubyslippers were the only two people to worship at the altar of keitel. i even sat through 'bad lieutenant'

anyhoo, MT, i know what mendacious means

ignore - well, i think there is still enough debate , of a robust nature on MN , with ignore

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 20:40

I think I've only reported a post once in 5 years. And it wasn't for a post against me it was someone else who wasn;t here to defend themselves. I much prefer it when posts remain, however noxious they are, because then no one knows the context of the ensuing debate. It

Dolly, really need to clear this up - I am not on about arguing or about people attempting to shout others down - if that's what turns you on - I am on about MN Towers giving into demands from other MNetters to segregate other MNetters threads simply because they aren't to their taste and when they could simply press 'ignore' and never see the thread again.

I also have a big problem with people crash posting on threads to kill them, not to stimulate debate - but kill it.

Do you see the pattern? It's not about stopping any kind of dialogue however fractious, it's about standing up to the opposite of that. Like that old saying we all used to stand by - ' I may not agree with you but I will defend your right to say it'.

Aitch - I'm not threatening to flounce. I did. I just didn't want it to be in vain.

compo · 04/03/2009 20:42

yes I did read this thread and the Madeline McCann threads
still think it's better to limit these subjects to just one thread as the same posters just go over the same old gorund imo (which I'm allowed to have iirc)

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 20:44

My keyboard isn't working properly - "Like that old saying we all used to stand by - ' I may not agree with you say, but I will defend your right to say it'.

AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2009 20:49

i just think it's odd that you're on this particular thread, MT. there will always be a couple of trigger-happy people who want things moved around etc but it's pretty unusual for MNHQ to oblige, quite rightly.

i don't like the shouting down either, on either side. don't like the 'you are all morons' nor do i like 'you are all bitches'.

i much prefer to engage with the individuals on the threads rather than characterise them as ones i wish to hide or not hide without having seen them play out.

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 20:52

Compo, I understand that it's tiresome, and of course your allowed to think that - I think that. I just disagree that MN should somehow be a less tolerant place becasue of it. Or that some m'netters freedom of expression should be controlled in such a way. We all live here.

That's just my opinion. Anyone is welcome to argue with it - never let it be said I am trying to stop debate, please.

AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2009 20:54

these jade/babyp/mmc threads run to their thousands, mt. i don't think anyone's being stifled...

Threadworm · 04/03/2009 20:58

"vigorous defence of free speech and capacity for sophistricated debate ... does all seem but gone now. The attempts of MNetters to shut people up if their attempts at argument fail - blackballing them, the personal, shockingly slanderous attacks, I've even been told 'I'd be careful what you say if I were you' is, to me, really insidious. I hope it isn't a symptom of a wider problem."

That isn't my experience of MN at all MT, not at all. It is depressing how ready people are to generalise from MN at its worst to the whole of MN. I don't even think that this thread has been a bad one. When I saw your posts about people being shouted down on this thread I had to read back a long way to work out which sde was shouting down which -- all that betokens is a very robust discussion on both sides. And it has been quite a good one.

Ronaldinhio · 04/03/2009 21:01

Surely if your drum is freedom of speech then you can see how some might find endless threads about Jade Goody a curtailment of their freedom of thought and deed?

Why not just hide the thread? Easy when it's one thread, harder when they are popping up everywhere.

I still don't accept that this is part of a wider plot to silence counter arguments or repress a faction of mumsnet.
Sorry

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 21:02

Yeah, totally agree Aitch. I am really glad MNHQ don't oblige very often. I'm just offering an argument for them not obliging at all, at any time. They are free to tell me to fuck off. I'm just saying I really don;t feel comfortable with it and it's not the place for me if it continues. I'm not attempting to randsom my MN membership, before any one jumps to that conclusion. I'm not so deluded that I think me being a member of MN means anything to anyone else but me.

But MN does mean a lot to me, and I love the robust nature of it - that's what drew me to it in the beginning! It's not the rough and tumble that I object to at all.

Gunnerbean · 04/03/2009 21:57

Moneytrousers' post has got me wondering why anyone here would think that anyone else here would give a flying fuck if they de-registered in protest...

I'd call it pissing in the wind and a totally pointless and hollow gesture - particularly if you're simply going to join up again because you "can't keep away". Very odd.

Monkeytrousers1 · 04/03/2009 22:49

If 'odd' is the best you can come up with, shoot us all. Keep trying