Poor Jade fading fast - she looks quite beautiful......

[PillicockSatOnPillicockHill]

and do you know what

i wont have a bad word said about her

Poor girl

Shit parents and crappy childhood
YES she went in BB and acted like a fool and YES she went in BB a second ime and said some ignorant racist stuff

but she was 'ill educated' and she did not 'know better' but in her favour :

she educated herself

she learned her lesson

she apologised and meant it

I AM a fan of Jade

I like her a lot and feel much sadness at this vibrant and humour full life cut short

Her little boys were goign to have the mother she never had and i SO relate to that

so KISSES for Jade tonight and much love -sign in if you wish !

No dessention please - not on here!

Solidgold, justignore the thread. People have no right to police other peoples convos. I hate this growing tendency on here to marginalise threads or then post rubbiush oin them till they are full up in order to stop debate. It's fucking totalitatian!

I think it is almost inevitable that the OP was going to start a thread like this.

If someone simply feels very sorry for Jade Goody, because she is a young mum with a terminal illness, why post on the News section on MN? In fact, why post at all?
I think that's what a lot of other people just don't get. Feel sorry for her if that's what you genuinely feel. Why the need to publicise that fact?

I feel sympathy for any young person facing a terminal illness. But I can't feel anything personally if I don't know them.

FWIW, from what I know of Jade Goody (which for all of us apart from personal friends of hers is going to be the media construction of her) I feel very uneasy about the whole concept of someone achieving celebrity and money through NOTHING. It's an ugly distortion of values... why can't our society celebrate people who make a positive contribution to society, people who are genuinely skilled and talented? I find it disturbing, and as a teacher I see first hand the negative impact it has on young people.

But that aside, of course all of think it's very sad when someone dies young, though I cannot begin to see how people can personally engage without knowing the people involved.

The OP is not publicising anyting. She's cominucating with people about somthing going on in the world. I find ut mawkish too, but ffs, it's non of my business if people want to use this forum to discuss things that interest then, or express emotions that they want, with people who might feel the same.

Lets not forget this is for mothers who are isolated enough. If they want to reach out and communicate about anything, that's what MN is for! It is big enough to accomodate all personality types - or should be - without one personality trying to police another.

No one is forcing you to engane in this thread if you don't want to. Live and let live FFS.

"Has she gone yet? Can she not hurry up and let all the morons have their big grief-evacuation and get it out of the way?"

Fucking hell, Solid. What would you do if you were in a pub and someone butted into your convo just to call you morons? Disagree by all means - but morons? Look in the mirror mate.

dittany "snobbery" how
To feel sad about a child who has only had 6yrs of life is normal imo. I hate the way it is being comapared with this media circus.

Well it's simply not true to say that the OP isn't publicising something, because posting on a public forum is doing precisely that!!

If someone feels better by posting on a public forum to say that they feel sorry for Jade Goody then that's up to them. I am simply saying that I don't understand it. And nor do a lot of other people. And they also have a right to post on a public forum.
I also wouldn't feel the need to post about any other death that has been publicised recently in the media, because I don't know the people involved, so therefore I can't grieve for them. Sympathy, yes. More than that - no. I don't know them.

So fucking what? Was that her intention? Every thread on MN is publicising somehting my that logic. So what?

Fine you don't understand ut. Say it and leave them alone. Trying to shut the thread down or create a ghetto for Goody sympathisers is just unfuckingbelevable.

exactly dittany..

2shoes...you can decide...i wouldn't go onto the 10/10 thread and say.."haven't you got anything better to do than talk about how many apples you've eaten?"...i wouldn't gate crash the what's for dinner threads and say "who gives a fuck what you're having for dinner" ....it's all about respecting other posters 2shoes.

The arguements about snobbery are interesting but I am not sure I am convinced. I think a comparison with say John Diamond talking and writing about his approaching death are a case in point. Of course you can argue that his talking about his death and writing a book about it were the middle class version of what Jade is doing.

But I think the slightly unsavory aspect here is the lack of any restraint and the abandonment of any dignity. Jade does not seem to be being put in front of us to educate or develop our understanding of facing death. She seems to be there purely so that we can watch. That may be harsh. Maybe that is just how I am seeing it ( what small aspects I am seeing)

But i feel strongly that hat is a taste issue rather than a class one. My mum is what she would call bog irish but her reaction to my fathers death was one of the most dignified things I have ever seen.

I have no issue with Jade and her circumstances are a tragedy for her and those who love her.
but to pretend that her publicising of her death is adding anything to anyone other than financially seems unlikely to me. And i think when all is said and done the thing I find incredibly sad is that what she is selling right to the end of her life is not a talent or skill or ability but really herself. I think that is why it is so hard to watch. And why mostly I am not.
But I do wish this could be discussed as it is an interesting issue but the venom seems to inhibet any rational discussion at all

Calm down MiTochondrialEve... you really are getting het up about this aren't you? Effing and blinding... nice..

Yes, of course every thread on MN is publicising something. Erm.. it's a public forum isn't it? Most stuff that I read in the papers,or see on the news, I think about. Some of it I may discuss with my husband/children/ friends. If something strikes me as particularly interesting/controversial, I might post it on a public forum, because I think it's worthy of intelligent debate. I certainly wouldn't feel the need to post to say how sad that someone is dying of cancer, mainly because it seems pretty much a foregone conclusion that of course it's sad. I don't know anyone who wouldn't think that.

We all die. There are threads bewoeing the fact that death is pushed to the sidelines of our society. Here is a woman who is facing it and people are interested. There may be an element of rubber necking, but rubber necking isn't immoral. We are all fascinated by death to some degree. That's what it is to be human, to know this is waiting for all of us. People are not morons or tasteless for being drawn to this. It's just their way of handling their own issues with mortality. So try to respect that.

I love f'ing and blinding - especiually if it offends people!

I won;t calm down. This is utterly shit.

dittany
I am not saying she should do anything. i was just saying why I find it difficult. she is doing what she thinks is best for herself and the people she cares about. I just think it is very difficult to see

I can see where pagwatch is coming from. Jade Goody achieved celebrity status through no talent, skill, or admirable personal qualities. Quite the opposite. I think that's a sad indictment of our society. And that's the context in which she is known. Therefore these events are being played out against that backdrop.

It doesn't mean that people don't feel sorry that a young parent is dying.

I sometimes wonder if people's emoting about the death or illness or kidnapping or whatever of people they don't know says quite a lot about their own fears at that time, of death and loss and uncertainty - and the need to go through that and talk about it and express it and share it - which is what people on mn do all the time. And the people who aren't in that state at that time find it uncomfortable and it makes them a bit cross and they would like to put it all in one thread and hide it because it's mawkish and unedifying.

Probably just needs to be slightly more understanding on both sides - that to not want to grieve for someone you don't know doesn't mean you don't feel things, and to want to go over it and express your feelings about it may just mean you are in a more vulnerable state generally and those fears have just come to the surface.

dittany - I hope you are being disingenuous rather than genuinely unable to read and understand my posts!!

I don't feel I need an 'excuse' to be anything. I don't know Jade Goody. I am not personally affected by her situation.
The celebrity culture in our society is a serious issue worthy of intelligent discussion. If you find that 'sanctimonious' then that is your problem.

I agree that greedy bankers are also a sad indictment of our society. For all I know, some of those working in the financial sector who have been motivated by greed and have now had their come uppance and lost their job recently may well be ill, or have close family members who are facing terminal illness. But then we wouldn't know, would we, because most people don't publicise it?

But I certainly wouldn't try to re-write history, and pretend that people who are greedy haven't been greedy, just because they are dying now. In the same way that I'm not going to pretend about Jade Goody. She has achieved celebrity for appalling reasons, and that doesn't change because she is terminally ill.

What strikes me as particularly ironic is that Jade herself would probably admit this too!

You can avoid it if you try; but it's bound to attract a certain amount of sympathy/empathy/interest/rubber-necking/whatever....

I wonder if anyone rememebrs in the late 80s when Mel from Mel and Kim died from cancer? The dreaded C word was hardly mentioned, because her 'fanbase' was made up of young teenage girls and there were photos of her in wheelchairs being pushed throug airports smiling away and everyone pretending she was OK. Obviously, many adults might have guessed what was going on or read about it - I don't know because I never saw any of it and I was in my late teens. But what I did see was a confusing array of media opps followed by a gap and then suddenly she was dead. I don;t think this would have helped young people understand the concepts of illness and death at all and it was obviously seen as unpalatable for her younger fans to realise what was going on.

I heard Amanda Platell (yuk) talking on the Andrew Marr show this morning saying it was about time the door was shut on Jade so she could die quietly and away from the media's glare. I can see why some people might think that some diginity might be preserved in doing this, but I also think we have a real problem with death in this country and to have a situation that encourages discussion and a wake-up to the realities of death is worthwhile, imo.

I still remember (not very long ago) when public figures died from cancer but it was never even mentioned on the news - it was alwyas referred to as "a long illness". How f*cked up is that?!

that's very true Boco