Poor Jade fading fast - she looks quite beautiful......

[PillicockSatOnPillicockHill]

and do you know what

i wont have a bad word said about her

Poor girl

Shit parents and crappy childhood
YES she went in BB and acted like a fool and YES she went in BB a second ime and said some ignorant racist stuff

but she was 'ill educated' and she did not 'know better' but in her favour :

she educated herself

she learned her lesson

she apologised and meant it

I AM a fan of Jade

I like her a lot and feel much sadness at this vibrant and humour full life cut short

Her little boys were goign to have the mother she never had and i SO relate to that

so KISSES for Jade tonight and much love -sign in if you wish !

No dessention please - not on here!

There you go again dittany!

Why is my opinion 'grinding an axe, while other people's is 'expressing their sadness'?!

I am not being sancitmonious and tactless. I didn't actually post on this thread until last night, precisely because I took it at face value from the OP that the thread was designed for people who feel the need to say publicly that they feel sorry for a young parent dying. 600 posts later it became very clear that the thread had become something else (it was the verbal aggression and swearing that caught my eye actually, from some of the posters who clearly couldn't handle the fact that other people didn't agree with them!!). At that point I posted. I haven't posted anything offensive, I haven't effed and blinded at or about other people.

I have simply been very honest about the how Jade Goody achieved and maintained celebrity status. It is not something I respect or feel comfortable about.

Anyway, as I say, I am sure many of us are able to feel sympathy with the many thousands of people who are currently facing terminal illness, the vast majority of whom aren't publicising the fact.

"Jade Goody achieved celebrity status through no talent, skill, or admirable personal qualities."

Just personality alone.

"I think that's a sad indictment of our society."

I think that's one of the great things about our society. And also that we have the choice to switch off and not have other peoples pious opinions shoved down our throats.

"Why is my opinion 'grinding an axe, while other people's is 'expressing their sadness'?!"

This was expressed well by 2Shoes above when she said "i wouldn't go onto the 10/10 thread and say.."haven't you got anything better to do than talk about how many apples you've eaten?"...i wouldn't gate crash the what's for dinner threads and say "who gives a fuck what you're having for dinner" ....it's all about respecting other posters"

why does the way Jade Goody found 'fame' matter when it comes to being able to sympathise (or not) with a woman dying quickly from a terrible undiagnosed illness?

violethill; always bad news to join a thread 600 posts in late on a friday night....a bit like standing outside a kebab shop after the pubs have closed....but you've made you point ..best to leave the thread now.

why would someone have to be peersonally effected by a death to feel sympathy?

Beanie - it makes no difference to the grief that will be felt by the people who know her.
Jade Goody's illness is no more terrible than the terminal illnesses being faced by all the hundreds of thousands of other people out there.

The difference in this case is that because she became a 'celebrity' she is also attracting this level of attention!

daftpunk - always bad form to suggest that other people should leave threads don't you know?

You leave when you want and let other people make their own decisions. We're all grown ups here you know. You're not in charge.

but it's entirely up to other people if they want to sympathise. just because you don't, doesn't mean it's right for you to tell other people how they should be feeling or expressing those feelings.

you're quite right violethill i'm not in charge...i'm frequently reminded of this when i'm dragged down the dark allies of mumsnet and given a good kicking...

...by the people who are in charge.

I haven't beanie. That's where a lot of people are jumping to conclusions.

Bizarre!

Bloody hell, what happened on here? I know better than to posts on these threads. Especially to post once then go away for the weekend!

FWIW, and as my post was jumped on, let me clarify that I was not comparing the death of IC with (impending) death of JG. I was comparing expressing compassion for someone you don't know. Though comparing 'worthiness' of such things is just weird and wrong IMO.

I feel compassion for his family and for hers. I grieve for neither as I don't know them. In addition,I find it heartbreaking that a child suffered such a short, painful life. But that's the mother in me.

What else is there to feel or say? I don't understand why this has become such a bunfight!

violethill;

are you named after the coldplay song?

By MiTochondrialEve on Sun 01-Mar-09 13:16:06
"Why is my opinion 'grinding an axe, while other people's is 'expressing their sadness'?!"

This was expressed well by 2Shoes above when she said "i wouldn't go onto the 10/10 thread and say.."haven't you got anything better to do than talk about how many apples you've eaten?"...i wouldn't gate crash the what's for dinner threads and say "who gives a fuck what you're having for dinner" ....it's all about respecting other posters"

I did n't say that (think it wa my meate daftpunk)

AS i have said this thread is in the news topic, and people can post where they like.

People can be sad if they want, personally I have enough sadness in my life without feeling the need to be sad about this.

I now wish to express a controversial opinion about John Diamond. His dying work was to write a book called Snake Oil about how complementary therapies don't work, and how it is all charlatanism, perpetuated by grasping quacks who prey on the vulnerable.

I have read his book - it is ill thought out, it achieves very little in the way of being useful, mostly because the man continued to smoke throughout his cancer treatment. As smoking is pretty carcniogenic, and he had mouth and throat cancer, he wasn't really trying to get better.

Jade may not have set out to achieve anything in the way of public good by publicising her illness, almost certainly she didn't - but she has brought cervical cancer to the attention of many pretty sharply, and hopefully some people's lives might be saved as a result of her unfortunate condition.

This isn't a funeral, though. It's an 'in the news' topic. The genuine news element of her death is the report of yet another step down the hill of a celebrity-obsessed culture, that blurs the distinction between entertainment and a weirdly fictionalised reality. Which is important enough for folks to want to post about

If the thread was in sleb twaddle it would have been pre-hidden by the people that find it kitsch.

her death? she's still alive!

Violethill said:

"Jade Goody's illness is no more terrible than the terminal illnesses being faced by all the hundreds of thousands of other people out there."

That may be so Violethill. However, would you feel quite so comfortable about expressing such opinions on a thread about a well-respected, well known and regular Mumsnetter who was also terminally ill and about to die?

If there were 600+ posts on a thread expressing sympathy, compassion and concern for such a Mumsnetter (and her small children and other close family members) whose name you saw regularly cropping up around here would you still do it?

You may not know that name personally (just as you don't know Jade Goody) but my guess is that you wouldn't do it.

Is Jade Goody not just the same as any other
person out there? Is her pain, suffering, trauma and fear not exactly the same as that of any other person out there. Do you really think that she considers herself to be any differnt at this point in time from any other person out there.

If you're one of those who claim to not be remotely interested in Jade Goody then why the fuck do you contribute to threads abot her?

My guess is that, in common with others just like you, your need to do it is motivated by pure nastiness.

You are another insensitive moron Violethill who has nothing constructive to add on tis matter. Go away and leave this thread be.

oh lordy

have you seen my typo...i don't know my allies from my alleys.....

help me out 2shoes

well said gunnerbean, i can't understand what VH is trying to achieve?

daftpunk you are my mate not my meate

imo there is a difference in offering support to a fellow poster, than feeling sad about someone you have never interacted with in any way.
I have and still will, offer my support to people on here who are having it tough, I know from my own experience that it sort of helps in a weird way. saying your sad about a cleb is a bit different to posting to say your mum/dad/child/dh has died or is dying.