Girl, 2, drowned in her buggy after father let go to kiss mistress

[mrshamiltiongiles]

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what a bastard

Looks like that bit is fenced Fio, I saw a pic of the place somewhere and there was no fence.

I totally agree FioFio, but I spent part of my early childhood living on the Scottish coast and had respect/fear for the sea drummed into me. We are going to Mousehole in Cornwall for our holiday this year. The harbour wall is a sheer drop with no barrier. DS will be on reins (as he always is out and about when not in his buggy. I care not for disapproving stares or mutterings of "dog lead").

And I agree with Wannabe - madly risky and stupid (unless of course the wife knew about the relationship?).

Does it say anywhere where the mother was?

Two of my children have been in hospital due to accidents when they were with me. Mums are not perfect.

I tend to expect the worse so would put breaks on, child locks on doors, etc but I have still had heart stopping moments.

no haven't seen any reports of where the mother was, although latest DM article does give us more information about his lover (who was also married, but without children, and who he apparently worked with).

Totally agree with Rubyrioja.

Yes of course accidents happen. But they are more likely to happen if you are not supervising your children because you are more interested in your mistress.

The comments on the daily mail website are more sympathetic and understanding than some on here.

How on earth do any of you know the exact circumstances of the accident? Or his families circumstances for that matter?

I've certainly had moments where I've put my son at risk due to careless behaviour. I've been lucky that I've learned from those mistakes, this poor guy doesn't have that opportunity.

Lets not forget he lost his daughter-this isn't about his morality ffs! As people have mentioned would it have made a difference if he was kissing his wife?

The comments on the daily mail website are more sympathetic and understanding than some on here.

How on earth do any of you know the exact circumstances of the accident? Or his families circumstances for that matter?

I've certainly had moments where I've put my son at risk due to careless behaviour. I've been lucky that I've learned from those mistakes, this poor guy doesn't have that opportunity.

Lets not forget he lost his daughter-this isn't about his morality ffs! As people have mentioned would it have made a difference if he was kissing his wife?

I'm having trouble imagining two parents together stopping for a protracted kiss somewhere like that, rather than both wanting to get home out of the yukky weather tbh. Perhaps am just cynical..!

Sorry felt so strongly posted twice!

If he and his wife weren't paying proper attention to their children that would be their fault too.

The fact is if he hadn't been snogging his mistress his daughter would still be alive.

So you know all the facts. And clearly you never make mistakes. Good for you

Oh grow up. If you can't see that it is negligent to let go of a double buggy when walking along a promenade which has no rails whatsoever, in February when the breeze can whip up at any moment, then that's your problem not mine.

Not exposing my child to stupid risks like that doesn't mean I never make mistakes. I just don't make glaringly obvious ones like that.

Why do people always do this "oh bully for you, you're so perfect" thing? It was stupid. What he did was stupid.

Speculating about the nature of the man's marriage ? Where ?

By TheThoughtPolice on Thu 19-Feb-09 10:42:03

What a vile article. Poor family. How utterly devastating. I think the fathers adultery has naff all to do with this and the name the woman involved as 'his mistress' all through the article is just sensationalising a tragic story, an accident.

Yes, he was wrong to have an affair.

Yes, he was wrong to take his children on an illicit shag date (although I can't help but feel that it can't be that much of a hot sex thing if he takes his small children with him on dates with her ).

But FGS, this man has just lost his daughter, and almost his son too, all because of a stupid mistake (or series of stupid mistakes).

His wife must be beside herself.

This is not appropriate tabloid fodder. This is a car-crash of a story, a family imploding. Not something for the masses to read over their cornflakes and feel smug that they are too perfect a person, too infallible a parent for anything like this to happen to them.

Where did I "speculate on their marriage" ? Where did I make assumptions about his reasons for having an affair ? Where did I speculate on the state of their marriage post loss of their daughter, the circumstances in which she died and the revealing of the husbands relationship with the other woman ? I have not done any of the above. I think you are reading so far between the lines that you have perhaps miscontrued my posts, or are confusing my posts with someone elses.

The only thing I said was "although I can't help but feel that it can't be that much of a hot sex thing if he takes his small children with him on dates with her", admittedly that was a little tongue in cheek, because tbh, my impression of a 'mistress' is not someone who goes on cosy days out to the seaside with her lover and their children. It sounds more like they were having a genuine relationship, be it rightly or wrongly.

I take your point about not liking it being discussed and then discussing it myself, I do, but I think you have misread my posts if you think that I was speculating on their marriage.

Having been on the receiving end of having a dh who went off with his work-colleague "mistress" then my opinion on this would be completely skewed and bias toward personal experience.

So all I will say is that I feel so sorry for the mother.

I feel sorry for the mother and the father. I've had the experience of the buggy failing while I've been loading one child into the car and the other rolling down the hill. I've been quick enough to catch it but it's only luck which has saved me. Yes it's bloody stupid to take kids out on the seafront in high winds but actually one of the thing about seafronts is wind can be sudden. I expect the dad was doing his best and he'll feel guilty forever.

Yes, he was having an affair, but that's not the same as being negligent - there is no indication he was negligent, the wind blew the buggy over and they both leapt in - this could easily have been a multiple tragedy.

I don't consider myself perfect as a parent or a person, so I don't really feel qualified to criticise those involved.

By FioFio on Thu 19-Feb-09 10:21:00
I think people need to be educated more about the dangers of the sea, especially at high tide. I think people take for granted how dangerous it is.

My heart goes out to the family

well said Fio

"Yes, he was wrong to take his children on an illicit shag date (although I can't help but feel that it can't be that much of a hot sex thing if he takes his small children with him on dates with her )"

speculating about the nature of his affair, sorry, as i said in the most unlovely terms. shag date, hot sex... utterly tabloid.

Let's be honest, she may not even be his "mistress".

I saw a mum the other day who let go of her toddler near the road because she was busy chatting to her friend.

What kind of a mother is she who cares more about her female friend than about her child??? What kind of a relationship has she got with this other woman if she cares that much about talking to her??? Why do people not realise that traffic is dangerous??? We need more education!!!

or errr... perhaps we just need to realise that we have all to some extent been guilty of taking our eyes of our children at times when they could have got into trouble in a split second.

We haven't all done it for an illicit relationship- but why would that have made things any better for the child if they had dived under that car, or fallen of that bed, or whatever. Because nothing happened we can carry on thinking of ourselves as ordinary decent parents. That poor Dad will never be able to do that again. There but for the grace of God...

well why don't we just have him hanged drawn and quartered? and the 'mistress' stoned to death in a stadium? that ought to do it.