Girl, 2, drowned in her buggy after father let go to kiss mistress

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what a bastard

.. and Violet, for what it's worth, speculation is human nature. Without it, we wouldn't be human at all.

Which is why I agree with Aitch that a person who purports to show no interest at all in spurious speculation is, by definition, a pompous arsehole.

No one on this thread has suggested, for instance, that the children were deliberately left to fall into the sea.

Although most of us will have entertained it as a passing thought.

and 'get off on' feeling less sympathy?

unlike the people who 'get off on' feeling superior for feeling more?

Aitch....

oh forget it. Carry on feeling hatred towards the man whose child has died if it makes you feel better.

Tinker... behave!

Violenthill, I don't think that Aitch feels hatred towards anyone.

Go eat a pickled egg and chill out, girl.

are you BONKERS, violet? when have i ever said that i hate him? that would be NUTS. i don't hate him, i don't even know him.

gawd, as much as i've said is that i am surprised to find myself feeling less sympathy towards him than i do to the wife, because if i put myself in her place for ten seconds my head explodes with the HORROR of it all.

i'm a bit offended by your last post, tbh. i really think you should read the whole thread before tossing off comments like that.

As far as I can see, people are giving their opinions of the facts (or not) as reported in the newspapers. Which is fair enough.

According to the papers, the man himself hasn't disputed the fact that he was with his mistress, and the wife knew nothing about it.

People can speculate about how they might be feeling or about what might have happened in the run up to the incident, and I also think that's fair enough. There's no law against speculation. I also feel it cuts both ways. At first glance, I want to think "hmmmm....man drives 40 miles away with his kids which just so happens to be 9 miles away from where this other woman lived - how bloody sneaky can you get, bet he told his wife he was taking them for a nice trip out to the seaside blah blah blah"

But, I also then speculate, well, how do we know that they weren't going through terrible marital difficulties, the children were close to this other woman anyway, and the 2 year old had said "Can we go to see X (whatever her name is)?" And her mum said "Well, DH, you take the kids out, I'll stay here with DS". And he could then have met up with this woman and they might boith have been having trouble with their marriages and just had a friendly hug to console each other and THAT'S when the buggy rolled into the sea.

We don't know. Somehow I can't think they are going to broadcast to all and sundry the finer details, so we might never find out.

But I think it's fair enough for people to post and say "Well, he is a bastard IF he was sneaking around thinking of his dick, USING his children as an excuse to travel far enough away from home so as to not get seen by anyone, which is the same reason they went to that dangerous stretch where people MIGHT not have taken a buggy ordinarily".

If people are posting and saying as fact "He did this shitty thing, or that shitty thing so therefore he is a bastard", then it's a bit much, as we only know what we've heard in the press.

The thing that stuck out in my mind was how one of the newspapers said something along the lines of "the dad needed treatment for shock upon hearing the child had later died. The mistress didn't need any treatment." It kind of implied that she was a heartless bitch and didn't feel bad for what had happened.

Perfectly chilled thanks. (without the pickled egg)

I wish you could spell, though.

All those years of education and for nothing.

i'm very clever.

Exactly curlyhaired. We know barely nothing. Certainly nothing about the background, and very little about the context surrounding that day's events. As the child was nearly 3, it seems almost certain that she would have known the other woman. A 3 year old is hardly going to go out for the day and not talk about events to her mum. If my DH had taken my children out when they were nearly 3, and met up with someone, no way would I have not known about it... children this age do talk you know! So, it seems likely that this wasn't a totally unusual situation, though it's reported that the wife didn't know they were having an affair. So we can assume the children were not present when they were actually shagging. (Although no doubt someone from the 'chop his bollocks off brigade' will be along in a minute to tell us, no, the man left the kids outside his mistresses house on the pavement while they shagged.

oh god, violet, read the thread will you? your imagination is more twisted than anyone else's thus far.

I was reading and responding to the intelligent post by curlyhaired aitch.

you should be nicer to your mother, then. she's a really good woman, very funny and wise and tries very hard to be a good mum to you.

She's a friend of the family, Violent.

It stands to reason that the kids would be comfortable in her presence.

You should read more.