Girl, 2, drowned in her buggy after father let go to kiss mistress

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what a bastard

I know what you mean egypt, if there were barriers there in the first place the it would'nt be so dangerous and things would'nt be able to go over the edge.

IMO whilst this is'nt directly anything to do with the council those types of places should hve barriers as a safety aspect for everyone around.

no, it's denise bulger, mamadiva. that's the whole point, her life was fixed the minute her son was led away.

I guess it all depends on the type of promenade. I don't know what it is like. I have vision of a large paved stone area, which I always see with iron railings. Maybe it was just a decked jetty type of prom, in which case fair enough.

I thought promenade meant the former, ime.

That's just in your eyes though Aitch when the papers etc mention Denise it's always Fergus, that's not er name now and to suggest that it's 'fixed' that way is disrespectful IMO.

the prom

don't know what to say really.

Don't really think there's anything that needs to be said except that those 2 children are absolutely beautiful and I hope that little Lewis makes a full and speedy recovery.

Sleep tight Rebecca hunny you're safe now.

fair enough. i don't think it's about respect, particularly. it's just a fact of life. in the public's imagination that's who she is.

eeeuw. creepy. and it's honey...

He will have to live with this forever. No doubt in his own mind, he will be thinking what ifs and beating himself up over it all. The poor little girl though.

My sister died whilst my mum and dad were arguing outside over his whereabouts with another woman, they both had to live with this and be scrutinised by the press whilst aslo grieving trying to look after me and proceeding with a divorce so perhaps the media should stay away and let this family rebuild their lives

that is a terrible story, i am very sorry for your family.

however, the idea that the media should stay away is pie-in-the-sky. we're all talking about it on here, why shouldn't the papers serve their customers? when people start talking about 'the media' as if it's a distinct entity rather than a reflection of our culture, it's in an effort to separate themselves from the fact that as humans we take a prurient interest in what goes on around us, particularly grim misfortune.

and as to the nature and tone of the reporting of that misfortune, we vote with our purses. and (i would say rather depressingly), the majority of papers sold in this country are tabloids, the Sun, the Mail etc. and even the 'quality' press will talk about it (often snootily, decrying the tabloid approach).

and why do they do it? because it sells.

and, crucially, who does it sell to? Us.

And who tries to catch pictures of a small white coffin on a day of a funeral - THE SUN

And who tries to take pictures of a 4 year olds grave stone because they find a recital of a nursery rhyme odd - THE SUN

And who imprisons grandparents in their own houses as they are too frightened to go the local shop as reporters are waiting outside

• THE SUN

And who raises all this media on a family trying to come to terms with the death of a daughter, sister, grandaughter, trying to impose manslaughter charges when parents have already given statements to police and have no further questioning or action to be taken - THE SUN

I understand they report to make newspapers sell but the quicker these papers involving this family are chip paper then the better.

If you have been involved with media first hand your views might be changed.

To me she is Denise Fergus, mother to Jamie Bulger.

I will never forget those images. He was taken on my birthday and it was such an awful thing to happen. It could happen to any of us. We can't keep our eyes on our children every second of the day.

I am sorry for your experience, buktus.

When Diana died I didn't buy any newspapers for a long time as I felt they were part of the reason she had died. ie lots of people wanting to see photos of her and hear what she was doing and with whom.

The only problem papers were the tabloids and thats probably still true now

i share your distaste for that paper and that sort of behaviour, buktus. but the responsibility does in the end lie with the people who buy it. when liverpool stopped buying it, that dented the sun in the pocket. were that a country-wide approach, it would change.

plenty of people will have wanted to read about what was goiing on with your family, and had it happened now no doubt they'd have been discussing it on here. many would be saying 'oh how awful , there but for the grace of god etc' but they'd still be saying it and buying their newspapers.

it's how things are, and a trawl round this website when something tragic happens in the news confirms it. we are interested in these stories, and products like newspapers serve that interest.

no, that's the point. the tabloids behave in x way to serve x readership. the broadsheets behave in y way (sneering at x way) to serve y readership. they're all feeding off the same pain.

yes but the ones behaving in 'y way' werents pushing to get 2 parents locked up for manslaughter, their view it was a tragic accident, it was unfortunately what it was unlike the behaviour of 'x way'

but BOTH were talking about it, so there would be no leaving the family in peace. the broadsheets would have been reading the tabs for info, just like everyone else. i'm not seeking to justify it, merely to point out that if anyone has ever bought a tabloid, then they're part of this. papers are very sensitive to what sells, especially in an internet age when it can all be tracked.

aitch-lets face it you are a tabloid writers wet dream whether you like to admit it or not. To suggest the media simply gives the public what it wants to hear is only partly true, to suggest the media don't have their own agenda is ridiculous.

You weren't there, you don't know what happened and don't know the family. Call my last post nasty if you like, I'm not sitting in judgement of a man who has just lost his child.

You can say the media has its own agenda if you like, but the fact is, if its agenda conflicted with that of its customers, it would go out of business. Aitch is right. People who buy these newspapers feed the media frenzy.

precisely, LB.

and what, pray, is a tabloid writer's wet dream? i mean it sounds like it means something, but i can't work out what it is.

oh and the media agenda?

to make MONEY.

Totally agree with Hula.

Just realised this thread has 13 pages! On page 1 Hula said it was a tragic enough story and didn't need the gutterpress adding their twopenworth (or words to that effect). THAT is what I agree with. Utterly awful for all concerned