MMR doctor 'fixed data'

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article here

And: I am so angry about the unnecessary illness, potential disability in children and parental anxiety this whole sorry tale has caused.

Can't believe that this has been up for a whole nine minutes and no one has called Bubble a government patsy intent on discrediting St Andrew.

Oh dear that's bad.

And though I knew the original study was a small sample, I didn't realise it relied on anecdotal evidence from just 12 children's families, not corroborated by their medical records.

This is really shocking but I fear it is too late to reverse the trend.

Anyway I'm going to run and hide as I always end up getting clobbered on MMR threads, thanks for the link though

Why hasn't this hidden?

I've already got a mumsnet rep for discrediting a 'saint'

lala. I read that as 'pasty'

Was just checking to see if I had crimped edges....

I'm a bit sceptical about this analysis- as from my experience with my developmental concerns about DS (wholly non-MMR related) - I can easily see how a parent's concerns may not be fully reflected in the records -

go to HV at 2.3 - fobbed off, there's a large range of normal language development with speech, wait and see.

go to GP at 2.6 - identical

go to HV at 3 - OMG he's 3 and barely speaking, refer, refer refer. (turns out at this point he had severe language delay).

finally get to see paed at 4.1....

so say if there had been a trigger event at 2.3, it's importance could IMO have easily been overlooked due to the delays in getting a proper assessment.

I agree that continuity and quality of care can have a huge impact on prompt and accurate diagnosis of any problems. But I have to say I'm shocked that this report was published in The Lancet on the back of a study group of twelve.

I'm a bit shocked, tbh, that anyone who's even vaguely been aware of the Wakefield affair didn't know that the sample size was 12. It's been more than 10 years, and every rebuttal and neutral review of the case mentions it.

Was there not also an allegation that he paid some children at one of his kids' birthday party to allow him to take some blood? Informed consent, anybody? Ethical considerations? Apparently not.
Publish, or perish .

Not so much an allegation as a statement of fact. I don't think he even tried to deny that one.

bruxeur. I didn't. I've come to this story as an MMR virgin, so to speak.

I knew there was controversy when DS1 was vaccinated but, maybe naively, I trusted my GP and the fact that his child (the same age as mine) had been vaccinated.

Should clarify. His child had also had the combined vaccine.

Not sure why trusting your GP is naive!

Tbh I've never understood what the conspiracy fruitcakes think that "they" get out of the whole imaginary deal.

Oh. I thought this was already known? I am sure I read an article to this effect a couple of years ago? He used only a handful of people, some of which were children of people he knew, and whom he paid to take part also? And then suggested a tenious link?

Either that or I am psychic!

Oh good. Another marvellous piece of reporting by brian Deer. Not as though he's never misrepresented facts, is it?

It is already known, pavlov.

silverfrog - which facts do you think are misrepresented?

Damn I was hoping this was really new and I had some great gift that could save the world... oh well, back to my day job.

don't get me started.

even the prosecution in the GMC hearing have distaned themselves from a lot of his so called truths statements. But that is never reported

But if it's not true, surely The Times will be sued? I imagine their lawyers have a good look at anything that's published without an 'alleged' attached?

No, no - start, do.

Or perhaps they figure the money from sales with a story like this will easily cover a potential lawsuit?

Well, to start at the very beginning (a very good place to start, I have heard ), Deer stated that the original lancet paper claimed that MMR is linked to bowel disease and autism. Actually, the paper identifies and highlights the association between autism and bowel disease, and in a different part of the paper says that further investigation into the MMR (in case there is a potential link) would be wise.

The two positions are quite far apart, and Deer's reporting was dishonest.

lol

Thanks.

Ahh - a fruitcake.
My son was severely damaged by the MMR. Nice to come on here and find the insults being thrown around so soon.

Brian Deer has publicly stated that he wants to get Wakefileld so lets not pretend that this is a piece of normal investigative jouralism. It is just the currnet piece in a sutained and highly vitriolic attack by one man upon another.

Wakefield was a gastroenterologist who was kind enough to see patients who were also autistic when no one else would look at them. I know because I know one of the original mothers.

Try taking your ASD child to the Doctors for gut problems and it is hard

• back when Wakefield agreed it was fucking impossible. The small group comprised mostly desperate parents who found him. He noticed how many had very similar gut damage and tried to investigate why.He did not set out to make the connectuion he finally made.

But I thank god he did because the link he made resulted in parents trying the gluten and casein free diet to limit the gut damage.
That diet has helped my sins gut problems so he is no longer in pain. It also stopped his regression in its tracks andhe has regained some skills including speech.

It is really really easy to treat this matter as a hero and villain, yah-boo issue. But as always the truth is way more complicated than that.Of course I don't see Wakefield as a saint - no doubt there are flaws and errors in his life and the choices he has made. But with all the counter evidence no one has actually be able to find flaw in his research - and the govt have repeatedly refused to replicate it to test his evidence. they also refused to fundthe last ten milllion for the court case which would have concluded one way or another. It is complicated.

But why bother with complexity and the possibilty that there is some truth in an issue that the tabloid press just want to sensationalize.
Lets just pick a side. Fuck the kids.