Ecstacy not wose than riding a horse!

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Love that comparison!

Our risk assessments of so many things are just way off - and society suffers as a result.

This puts the ecstatcy use into context anyway.

Now if we could have some similar ones about crime that would be fab!

i don't really understand this argument either.

People don't take drugs because they think it's cool. they take drugs because they find it enjoyable.

People who take drugs don't think people who don't take drugs aren't cool - they think they don't want to take drugs and in the main respect that decision.

When I was a smoker I didn't judge people who didn't smoke and think they were uncool.

I knew however that people who didn't smoke judged me - and in fact though it was uncool to smoke.

i just don't understand the argument.

The "not many people die" thing is misleading. Not many people die in planes (they're supposed to be statistically the safest way of travelling) but hardly anyone survives plane crashes.

Of course, there is a point to plane travel. I still don't feel anyone has sufficiently demonstrated the point of drugs, especially not when set against the risks.

It is at the very least debated whether Ecstasy is "safe" and certainly should not be taken as such on anecdotal evidence.

more here

and here

It's daft to make comparisons with alcohol, whose chemical constitution and effects on the human body are well-documented and the subject of broad consensus. Alcohol is only a serious problem if abused.

No-one's saying it is safe; just not very dangerous, and its relative safety is not reflected in its legal status.
And to really understand the point, you'd have to try one

I don't understand what you mean with the plane thing, surely out of the total number of people who travel by plane, not many die. And out of the total number of people who take Es not many die, so statistically it is a fairly safe activity. No-one is saying that it isn't absolutely horrific when someone dies though, just that it isn't very likely.

it is so obvious that horse riding is more dangerous than Es, nobody seems to be laughing about the fact that the professor is called 'nutt' though?

"Life is all about risks, we take a risk just crossing the road but why deliberately increase your risk by taking Ecstasy?"

Or why ride a horse?

Why snowboard?

Answer: Because it is a lot of fun, and not all that dangerous.

Hilarious thread, btw

do not like to imagine how pointless and dull life would be if no risks were ever taken - guess it depends how your brain is wired

thank god for those people in history who have taken bold risks and advanced the human race

Mitchy top work re prof nutt!

Re the links from UQD. I see nothing in there which is conclusive, I do seem some very vague and woolly statements which don't seem to be based on anything. The effects and possible side effects of ecstacy abuse seem to be similar to the effects and possible side effects of alcohol abuse - any drug will be dangerous if it is abused. These trials often only look at people with very heavy usage as well - not the people who do one pill every couple of weeks.

I'm sorry but none of the links tell me anything I didn't already know - ie that any drug when used in excess can be dangerous.

If E were really dangerous we would have seen quite a lot of adverse effects from the mass trial of people who have been taking this drug for the last 20 years, with some estimated half a million people taking E every weekend.

UQD the fact is that respectable scientific research has concluded that using ecstacy is not very risky, you just don't want to believe it. Which is fine, obviously, but I doubt the arguments you have given so far would be enough to convince anyone.

Out of interest do you think that all illegal substances are similarly harmful , or do you see that different illegal substances have different types and levels of risk attached.

The links I have given precisely do not show that - they show that the randomness and unpredictability of so-called "recreational" drugs make it very debatable whether they are "safe".

But, go ahead, I'm not stopping you...

I can't do links on this handheld, but if anyone is interested, search my recent posts for an article I linked to from The Times re just how safe Es are. It is on the other drug thread on "In The News".

Once again, UQD, no-one has said Es are safe, just not very dangerous.

All of my horse-related activities tend to be fairly 'high risk'- polo & hunter trials - in both of which there is a reasonable chance of a fall resulting in a bad injury or death so it can be just as unpredictable and random as UD believes recreational drugs to be but I still do it and enjoy it.
However, I have never had the nerve to take any recreational drugs. It might follow the same logic but to me seems a damn sight more of a lose-lose situation.

It does amaze me that everyone seems to know where to buy drugs. I wouldn't have the 1st clue where to start.
Threads like this make me feel very naive.

And I can't understand why anyone would want to spend time bouncing about on a smelly animal, but to each their own And the said smelly animal can always kick you off with disasterous prospects of long term injury (just ask C Reeve), which seems like a lose-lose situation to me.

lol at Ronaldinhio's 1st post

I am a total coward in my old age too. These days I would not go near a horse!

Very few people die after one E.Most drugs/medications can kill on first ingestion if the person taking them has a bad reaction to them.Viagra is v dangerous in a person with undiagnosed cardiac problems for example.MDMA was licensed years ago for use in conjunction with sex therapy for relationship probs and I have never read any reports saying anyone died.Surely they are talking probability here

Here is that article from The Times that I referred to earlier.

Not for those who really want to hold on to their prejudices

noddy - Every once in a while, a teenager dies on E, drinking too much water or dancing all night in a crowded hot place. Her parents swear that was her first ever pill (meanwhile coroner rules she had taken 5 that night alone) etc.

So yes, a few people have died while on it, but you are right, it is a very safe substance. Especially when one considers the hundreds who die from paracetamol or asprin every year.

Cote I have often wondered if it is the water sweating and the possible effects of that on the heart and nervous system which causes these deaths as E does give you an amazing capacity/stamina to dance no matter how hot/knackered you are which most people would never sustain if they weren't on it

Surely it has to do with an underlying condition, and not just a standard effect. Otherwise we would have seen much more frequent problems and deaths, considering the 500,000 people who party on Es every weekend in the UK.

God, I loved e. Those were the days. Before all the horrible speedy stuff.

When my time comes, I want to go into an old peoples home where they have it in the water. I will lobby for it as a moral right!

Can I come, too?

Oh, what a love in it'll be!

What shall we call it? Ecstacy Heights? Care without compromise(ing the MDMA)