Demonstration against Israeli bombing of Gaza in London on Saturday.

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If anyone is intersted.

It's at 12.30pm along Embankment, nearest tubes Embankment and Charing Cross.

It's being organised by Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coaltion and numerous other groups.

I will bump this sporadically, but if anyone else would like to help promote this, plaese bump too.

I will be there.

Exactly, what do you expect?

Donnie - enjoy yourself - you make me smile

Foreign journalists are allowed in. What is Reuters?

Kayharker - I wish I could agree with you that Hamas are deceptive. But , before them you have the PLO, the PLF, black september etc and all funded and supported by Iran. Did they all deceive the palestinians? Are our elected leaders so elected becuase we are deceived?

And what did Hamas deceive its people on ? What did it delcare its aims as?> The destruction of the STAte of Israel. And this was after the withdrawal of Israel from Gaza. The "people" had a choice and could have voted for the more moderate Fatah. But they didn't. Therefore i cannot agree with your analagy that the palestininans were decieved and did not know what Hamas was about.

And furthermore why should the palestinians have been so desparate after the withdrawal from Gaza. Surely that is the time ( if they truly want peace) to make use of the massive aid coming in and rebuild and look to the future. Instead they spent the Iranian sponsered funds on rearming and building smuggling tunnels and weapons factories to continue their struggle against the existance of the State of Israel.

Lisa you either pretending you don't understand or you are really thick.

The Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were had their back to the wall. They feel the only option left know is full on war.
Just like Israelis voted hawks into governements because they feel the same.

What massive aid coming in?
Israel does not allow it. Or only in very slow controlled trickle that chokes them.

Oh I'm really angry now.

taking a break.

lisalisa - are you really such a dimwit? how can you no know that FOREIGN JOURNALISTS ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO GAZA? and how can you not have heard of the International News Agency Reuters?

perhaps you need to come clean and tell us what your news sources are ?

'not know'.

does anyone know of a good humanitarian organisation who I could send some money to? One where the money will reach those in need in Gaza?

Lisa, am I going mad or is the news you quoted from MAY2008?

there was a link posted a while back, maybe on this thread, regarding the best aid organisations to contact. I think Medecin sans frontieres is always a good bet, or the Red Cross.

lisalisa, I'm not saying that many of them didn't know what Hamas was about. I'm saying that people can decieved into believing that Hamas' answer (the aggression with the rockets etc.) is the answer they need. Hamas did do a lot of work in terms of social help, being the friend of the people beforehand, too.

Please hear me - I see and hear the absolute terror of my Jewish friends because they feel so strongly that if they lose this war, if they do not defend themselves, no-one else will do it. 'Never again' is ringing in my ears, and everytime I hear it, I am weeping because I know the depth of terror that underlines it. I am not against Israel.

But they cannot win this way. The strongest weapon is propaganda, and you know that the palestinians beat you hands down on that score - you have IDF warning policy, they have pictures of dead children. Even if Israel do manage to crush Hamas, there will be another to take their place. God, I wish I knew the answer. But I can't see how this is it.

www.map-uk.org/

thanks for the link Kay, and I think you are absolutely right to say that desperate people do silly things. Hamas are a bunch of thugs with no regard for their people, and with who knows what agenda (I mean if they have Iranian/Shia backing).

Lisa seems to have gone for now. But I asked WHO verified tht hamas militants were in the school YESTERDAY. Lisa told me it was reported on todays news with REuters. I can't find this information. So I ask again, who verified that hamas militants were inside of the school attacked yesterday?

I though it had been verified that Hamas militants were NOT in the school. It appears to be only the Israeli forces which are saying that - as indeed they would need to, to justify such an atrocity. Maybe lisalisa can clear it up.

have read about the first 100 posts...sorry not to trawl through whole thing.

surely the CRUCIAL thing here is that one side is a terrorist organisation (and I agree terrorism is born of desperation, n.ireland/SA etc etc) and the other a state.

what israel is doing has NO equivalence in that respect. the rule of international law is what counts and israels flouts it over and over and over again and until america says no, stop or we will start to withdraw our funding israel will continue.

I hope and pray that barack obama will take a hard line with israel in this respect. stop breaking international law: you are a STATE you cannot do that and expect to be treated as legitamate at the UN and by other nations.

of course we (the UK) have not a leg to stand on as we broke international law by invading iraq.

the answer is a dialogue brokered (enforced) by America which results in a two state solution.

Well I stated I cannot recieve my news from an Israeli goverment, considering foreign journalists are not allowed inside Gaza.

agree with sophable.

Too depressing to stay on this thead any longer.

why does israel fly aircraft low over gaza night after night (in times of relative stability) if there isn't a systematic campaign to wear down the palestinians?

and I loathe the inference that those that condemn the israeli govt are anti-semitic...what does that make the thousands and thousands of israeli jews that abhor their govts actions and protest against it then?

IMHO, Hamas could not give two hoots about the people in the Gaza strip. All they care about it is using Iranian resources to stick it to Israel. t

They are just as responsible for the tragic events unfolding in Gaza, just as Iran and Israel. I don't normally sympathise with Israel but in this case, I do. If Hamas had not repeatedly bombed them, Israel would not have attacked.

What Israel needs now is the moral courage to stop the bombardment and use diplomacy to try and resolve this. The Hamas leadership need to stop provoking Israel, think about their people for once, and try to use diplomacy for once to effect change.

Iran needs to stop being the puppet master of Hamas and mind its own business.

In my opinion of course.

Kayharker, it was pointed out on another thread that that link was from last year - when the Israelis bombed a different school.

saadia, yes, I've just seen that - it was sent to me by e-mail, I didn't notice the date. That's rather annoying. I'm going to have words.