Baby P

[GeraldineMumsnet]

Hi, to make it easier for people who are finding this subject very distressing, we're going to keep all Baby P posts in one thread. If you'd like to discuss this subject, then here is the thread to do so. We'll go on the other threads and link to this one. Thanks very much.

I cannot stop thinking about Baby P and feel physically sick every time I think about what happened. It is so distressing. I was watching my little toddler (17 months) running round on her chubby little legs and giggling tonight, and got a huge lump in my throat. I just could never understand in a million years how anyone could hurt such a lovely little boy.

And look what tasteful article I found for sale here. I wonder if it's even worth making a complaint to them.

Twats.

I can't believe that anyone would buy that let alone sell it!

no I think the point is they would like to be offensive so would probably glory in the complaints.

Sadly, probably true.

Have just looked in on this thread and only read the most recent posts so far. The internet hate campaign thing caught my eye, yes, it's Facebook. I'm a regular on there and there's a big 'name them and shame them' (the mother and stepfather of Baby P) going on on Facebook. Their names, if they are their real names, have been revealed on FB. I've had a text too from someone I communicate with on FB, again following the 'name them and shame them' theme. I've been urged to pass the text on to everyone I know but I'm not buying into all that. As saddened as I have been by the horrific events surrounding Baby P, I don't see how getting into all that is going to help. Whoever has come up with these names might be wrong anyway.

It's a terrible thing to have happened to a Baby, and personally I would rather remember him and pray for him in my own way, than join in with internet vigilantes.

Totally agree with you MummyPenguin

I see in The Sun today it is reported that he had a big funeral so he had lots of people who did love him although they didn't know what was going on behind closed doors

I see Ed Balls has agreed to release that report to a group of MPs which is good news, but not to the public as it might jeopardise any future action against staff

What sick t-shirt, it's disgusting what some companies are trying to flog.

I hadn't been reading about Baby P because I knew it would be very upsetting but then I decided that its naive to try to blank it and decided that I had a duty to read about it, a little bit.

I now can't stop thinking about the poor little boy now. My DD is 10 months and I just try to imagine her even being scared of me and it upsets me.

I cant even imagine the extent of what has happened to him (its beyond comprehension) but I keep "worrying" about how he much have been lonely, or stupid things like how he must have had some nights teething or in pain and there would have been no one to give him a hug and some calpol. I can't stop imagining it and seeing it through the eyes of my DD.

I hold what would be considered fairly liberal views on imprisonment and punishment (normally) but in this instance (and not sure how much we are allowed to say) I would be more than happy for them to die. Am I allowed to say that on here?

Yes I have invites on facebook to join various groups about Baby P but have ignored them all, it feels inappropriate and disrespectful to join a group about him.

Regarding the t-shirt (and other items that lovely phrase is printed on) I've just emailed them, using the Contact Us part of the site. Pointed out exactly what happened to Baby P and why rather than offensive their t-shirt is irresponsible and dangerous. So whether or not complaining is worth it perhaps they should be made to feel just a little shamefaced.

I received a weird text naming the "mother" and step-"father" but I don't know anyone who would send it. I would imagine if anyone in the prisons they were in found out their identities then they would suffer a similar fate to what they put that poor baby through. Although I cannot find it in me to feel an ounce of sympathy or regret if that was to happen to them.

That t-shirt is vile isn't it? I can't believe companies will sell such a thing. Even without a high profile case like P, it's still an awful thing to suggest a baby wears.

T-shirt is sick.
I wonder if they have actually sold any?

I hate to say it, but this wont be the last case we will all know about. Until more is done by the government then things will not get better. More funding, more training? My friend is in her last year of a social worker degree, she has been disgusted by the work that is and isn't done by some social workers. Not following clients up, not finishing of paper work for other social workers to follow up. Wether this is lack of staff or staff training i dont know. I work within the NHS and regularly see non-accidental injuries. seeing what some children have had done to them and they are still sent back to their parents, i have come home in tears after seeing things at work.

I'm not a 'hang em and flog em' type usually but I would like these monsters to suffer. I wish I could knock down the barriers inside their heads so they could comprehend what they had done, and know they never deserve to see the light of day again.

And what I really want to do is take him in my arms and cuddle him, and never let anyone hurt him again.

It is so heartbreaking to think of all the missed opportunities for rescuing him. I am not hunting for scapegoats, but the Ofstead report rams home that the system meant to protect this poor little boy isn't working, and is still failing other children. It needs a thorough shake-up.

candle lit vigils are being held tonight between 8 and 8:05 pm ppl are being asked to light a candle and remember baby p in open air. I will be joining in, i am so so sorry for what happened to this little angel and i hope so much that he is happy wherever he is now xx

mymblemummy, my sentiments exactly. Are these people really so stupid as to not realise what they were doing?

Like I say, I don't know details (I am worried that I will never stop thinking about them) but I wish that these "people" could be punished more severely than they ever will be (and thats really not very 'me' with my principle of rehab etc, not in this instance)

sam86, is it tonight? I had it in my mind as 7pm on December 1st for some reason. Glad you've put me right.

It's comforting to know that although the vigil won't bring Baby P back or prevent others from suffering, and despite the horrific numbers of chidlren still being abused, the world is made up mainly of people who do care, and if confronted with something like this on their doorstep would hopefully step in.

Sleepycat I made the mistake of reading that "article" as well and there is nothing I can now do to take away the images of what was done to him.

I just don't have the tools to deal with it really.

It must be one of the most horrific crimes ever committed in this country

optimists- i saw it in papers for tonight, im sure ther prob is one on 1st as well, i know there is a blue balloon release planned in Dec but im not too sure on the date.

i know, i think as naive as ppl might think this makes me sound, the fact that nothing will bring him back is what really gets to me- that he cant have time to enjoy life with kisses and smiles, to realise life wasnt meant to be like that. i just hope that he can see or feel all the love for him that everyone is feeling, and knows how many mummys and daddys there are who would have been proud for him to call them that.

i cant sleep at night for thinking of him and what he went through, its beyond comprehension that so many people including professionals were either totally fooled or blocked in their efforts to protect him. i cant begin to comprehend how anyone could hurt such an angel. my little girl is almost one, she is so gorgeous and is the light of both mine and dps life, we even miss her when shes in her cot at night. how could anyone not feel that way about their children.

i believe the reason their names cant be made public, although i doubt few ppl know them now, is another case next year about the youngest of his sisters though older than him(not the new baby) but thankfully they are safe now, hopefully with their real father.

rip baby p, sleep tight.

what is in fact even more beyond comprehension is that there were three adults and a 15 year old in that house and not one of them thought it was wrong enough to do something about it.

optimists + timeoff- im not sure where about you live but i know bromley are doing a volunteer scheme where volunteers do weekly visits to children on the at risk register (after training etc) and report back to their social worker. it seems a good scheme, and i would love to do it if the same were available were i live. there is also an "allies" scheme in a few parts of london where you befriend children recently taken into care, hopefully to stay friends with them for many years as a positive adult role model etc. ive applied to do a social work masters next year after i graduate from psychology, and have been trailing volunteer sites as you can prob tell! desp need experience, im hoping they will accept me without it but worried it is an absolute necessary.

I'm in Gloucester sam, but will look into it, definitely. WEll done you for trying to change the system from within. I admire your choice enormously and hope it all works out well.

Know what you mean about being beyond comprehension and knowing that nothing you can do will bring him back. That describes exactly what I'm feeling. I know I will really sob tonight when I light that candle.

I just wish there was more I could do that just light a candle and honour his memory, but for now Home Start, maybe this volunteer scheme you mention, and a definite decision to foster if I ever have a bigger house or when my DC leave home is all I can do.

RIP Baby P.

Hello - If anyone has heard of a donation campaign for a headstone for Peter please, please let me know. The simple sign at his grave reads 'Baby P Safe at Last'. I'm sure his father would like a proper headstone with more words than that but i understand it cannot be put up yet for legal reasons. I would make a donation and ensure others would too. I'm sure as i will many will want to 'visit him' in the future.

I am also keen to learn of any arranged sites for a balloon release in the Solihull/South Birmingham area on the 6th Dec at 3pm. If not does anyone else from this area want to join forces to arrange something - i'm willing to travel up to an hour radius of Solihull with my 17mth old.

x