The poor 17 month old -died of broken back

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I just find these kind of stories of extreme abuse so very upsetting and wish we had better safeguards in place to stop such hideous harm happening or at least continuing (when it's pretty obvious!) to helpless children. Why on earth did the doctor not examine a child because he was already on an at risk register and was 'cranky and miserable' at an appointment and hence he/she failed to notice broken back and ribs? It beggars belief. I'm not a punitive 'hang them flog them' type (in fact I'm strongly against corporal punishment) but in this instance I think the mother should be forcibly sterilised to prevent her ever hurting or 'allowing' such hurt to any other child.

I saw this on the news last night and was so distressed by it that i couldn't concentrate on anything else for the rest of the evening and it stays with me today. I had to turn the volume down when they listed this poor child's horrifying injuries. I can't stop thinking about how awful every day of his existence must have been and how he was passed over by social workers and the doctors. I just don't understand. I can't put into words my deep sense of despair over this. People get their knickers in a twist about Russell/Brand, xfactor/strictly yet will 35,000 people complain about baby P? Will 21,000 people sign a petition? No they won't. Will this happen again? Yes it will...

I remember seeing this on TV when he was pronounced dead they listed the injuries and the wopman reading them was actually crying Live on Sky news!

It still haunts me I cried my heart out at the time and because DS was 18M at the time I think it mad em worse seeing about the size of him and thinking how the hell could anyone do anything like this!

The woman on the news earlier actually refused to read the story and said it was totally inappropriate for the morning, I don';t know aht I think of that it's kind of like no he was ignored enough whilst he was alive never mind ignoring him now but then I kind of understand does that amke sense?

Atleast he's at peace now, no more pain little man x

I know mamadiva looking at the bloodstained baby clothes really shook me up. I questioned whether it was appropriate to show them. However it really hit home how very harrowing this case is. Leaves me with a sense a impotent rage and upset tho.'

oh god i am so so sorry for the poor little boy. how could anyone do this i do not understand. i would have happily taken him in and given him a much happier life- if they couldnt be bothered with the child why not put him up for adoption. I am so sickened by these people.
and why on earth was nothing done, that stupid social worker woman blamed the police for not telling them the week before the death that he shouldnt be at home- but they put him back there while she was still on bail anyway. he should never have been put back there - i really hope he rests in peace, the poor little angel. xxx RIP BABY P xxx

I think I'll have to give up writing about this as it is too upsetting. I just hope that this case finally shakes enough people up to create better systems and safeguards in place for at risk children. One very little and perhaps obvious thing that would help I think is if SWs were obliged to have physical contact with such children - otherwise how can they ascertain injuries/fear/pain in a kid wrapped up in blankets/in a pushchair etc?
Yes - I wish baby P happiness and infinite love wherever he is now.

Think all those involved should be so appalled at what they did not do they should resign and find jobs that don't involve contact with human or any living thing. After the anger and disbelief reached boiling point for one moment I actually thought think about the poor people who missed doing something but having heard more about that poor child's injuries I cannot see how anyone, anyone even a half-blind person could have failed to see what was staring at them. That poor poor child. Hanging is too good for the adults they should live a long and very painful life. Starve them to death.

It is upsetting but is also something that needs to be spoken about as sad as it may be nothing will ever be done if it were hidden away.

I think the problem is the public (myself included) tend to direct all their energy into hating the parents or whoever caused these children so much pain and suffering in their short little lives, rather than channeling it into something positive like trying to make a difference to the system which failed them and doing something about it instead of dwelling on it IYKWIM.

I'd love to say oh lets stand up and make a difference be Baby P's voice which was so cruelly taken away from him and try and stop this from happening again!

But sadly I think we all know there's not much we can do, and I wish we could honestly but I wouldn't know where to start!

Please let there be a heaven so that poor boy can now be happy and loved.

Starve them to death?

Is that the sign of a civilised society? Will that send a clear message that torture and abuse are never acceptable?

All three of these people should be in prison for murder, I don't care if they can't determine who actually delivered the fatal injury.

And all social workers/doctors etc should be demoted or sacked.

I don't give a fuck if this is a knee-jerk reaction, you can fanny about talking about social workers, doctors and perpetrators and how we should learn and understand from this situation, but this is first and foremost about a defenceless child and his horrific life.

Civilised society?!

Yes, civilised society. That is after all what we consider our society to be, is it not?

And so is 'starving them to death' the behaviour of a civilised society?

How will that send the message that torture and abuse are unacceptable?

Then how do we send a clear message AnarchyAunt?

That is what I want to know.

Because these people are not part of a "civilised" society, they are feral and inhuman.

HeyJude if that was aimed at me I did say that me included hate the parents etc its instinct of course it is, but I do think that it would be good if we could learn from it, and try and atleast make sure that although that LO didn't touch many lives while he was alive that he will never be forgotten and because of his death some good could come out of this awful situation and many more could be saved from the same horrible fate!

If that sounds like 'fannying about to you' then feel free but whilst I agree they should all be in prison for murder and life should mean life and none of this bloody cushy life that prisoners are getting at the moment should be a dark cell, with nothing wouldn't even give the luxury of a bed TBH but that's not how it is!

And BTW their life will be made a living hell in prison anyway so they don't need to be starved to torture them with.

mamadiva I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular.

I just think that we keep on saying this - that we should "learn" from this and it is repeated over and over again in all types of instances and situations - but is anything ever really learnt?

Shouldn't we do more than learning from what has happened here? Shouldn't we do something that involves action?

"Because these people are not part of a "civilised" society, they are feral and inhuman."

Well, once you start excluding people from our society like that, you risk further alienating them and creating a situation where they feel that as they are not considered part of society, they do not need to abide by it's 'rules'. That will not help to prevent this happening again.

These people are part of society, like it or not. They live here, they are a product of society, however uncomfortable a thought that may be.

Their actions are outrageous and despicable, and should be punished by imprisonment. But we should never forget that murderers and child abusers are not born. They are made.

OK fair enough, they are part of our society, and are made by our society etc.
So now they feel included, do you think that will make them abide by society's rules?
Don't think so, people like this will do whatever they like, they don't care.

How do you rehabilitate people that hurt small children? Send them on a course? Go see a psychiatrist? How?

I have just read about this on Sky and I'm extremely disturbed about this. I don't understand why they were found guilty of 'allowing the death' who has been found guilty of the actual murder? Or is it the same thing? Am I missing something? Surely they are all guilty of murder? This is not just neglect, not when you use a BABY as a fucking punchbag.

I am speechless about this story. What a sad little life that baby had.

I think the death penalty should be brought back for thugs like these. Yes, they can have councelling etc but they must be seriously warped to think to do this in the first place. Very sad.

Makes you wonder how the perpetrators were brought up themselves. Had Baby P lived, who knows how he would have grown up; he more than likely would have grown up to be a bully and an abuser himself. It's a cycle of abuse.

I'm not in any way saying that it's better that he died, and of course it never ever should have come to that. It's an atrocity. I'm just picking up on what others have said about abusers being made not born. It's true, and the sympathy we have for them as abused children turns into hate when they go on to abuse.

He had a CHILDMINDER? you are joking? She didn't pick up on anything?

So these people may have been abused themselves, but that is no excuse.

People have a CHOICE as adults not to continue the abuse, just as they have a choice about what food to eat, what clothes to wear when they get up in the morning. Just because they have been abused does not mean that they are hard-wired to go on abusing.

I'm not saying it excuses what they've done at all. There is no excuse for it. And I know that not every abused person grows up to be an abuser either.

Nor do I think that killing the perpetrators is the answer.

I don't know what the answer is.

Well they obviously knew what they were doing, as they covered him in chocolate to cover his bruises and she worked the social workers like a charm. It made me so sad when she said that after he had gone to another lady to be cared for he wanted picking up and cuddles-he is a BABY! Of course he does! I would do anything for another baby, I just don't understand how they could do this. And letting him play unsupervised on a urine soaked floor-why didn't they take him in to care then?

Anyone who has been abused loses my sympathy the minute they turn into an abuser!

My dad was severely abused as a child and he has never once hit any of us and I think it takes a real person to get past the fact that this normal behaviour they reach an age where they should know, I am by no means trying to say its not ahrd for those who have been badly abused, it must be one of the hardest things to get over in life but the fact is most do it and those few who continue in their abusers footsteps are not wirth the hassle there's no helping them. It is not an excuse!!!

I agree though that perhaps death penalty should be brought back for these 'beasts' and others like them with this level of Evil.

And I'm sorry but I reckon it's not humane the way they treated that LO and I reckon if used prioperly then the death penalty can be part of a civilised society!

Am very at this now the more Im talking the more Im realising how many children actualy die through their 'parents' evil attitudes towards them.