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The mad Swedish women on the M6 with a deathwish - they survive but god knows how!

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Monkeytrousers · 25/09/2008 20:02

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7636577.stm

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themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 10:28

it is your right to feel sympathy for them if you wish! thers nothing wrng with that. but it is also our right to not feel sympathy for them and think they are selfish dangerous people who need punishing more severely than they were.

Pawslikepaddington · 26/09/2008 10:31

Oh god, I wish I hadn't watched that now, I'm shaking. Why would you do that?

FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:38

well I hope you never find yourself delusional because of something that is out of your control TMMJ - as I'm sure you (as many would) would appreciate some support, rather than ostricising.

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 10:40

It is your right - I;m just finding the wholesale lack of emapthy here a bit shocking. Punishing more? How do you think you can punish a woman more when she has obvioulsy been brutilised so much as to repeatedly try to run in front of a truck?

Brink back flogging I suppose and do it publically. That will make the majority feel better about their incredible and terrifying situation I guess

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FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:41

I'm just glad someone managed to stop our vicar getting into her car that night....no-one knows what was going on in her head at the time, and I don't like to think about what could have happened if she'd got in and driven anywhere

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 10:43

Being a bit by that is my right too.

I dunno why it always turns into a 'with us or agianst us' thing on here. FAQ and I have said we feel sorry for everyone.

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Imnotok · 26/09/2008 10:45

I felt sorry for them too they both looked terrified .Of course I don't agree with their actions but I think they were trying to get away from something terrible and obviously not in their right minds at the time.

cali · 26/09/2008 10:50

A few years ago I had not long come back from a walk in Richmond Park and heard that a cyclist had been murdered there that afternoon.

It later transpired that he had been killed by a psychiatric patient who had been waiting for the right person to kill.

It doesn't make it any less of a crime, the end result is the same. An innocent man lost his life because of the actions of an individual.

Desperate people do desperate things, it still does not excuse their actions.

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 10:52

brutilised so much as to repeatedly try to run in front of a truck?

that is pure conjecture!!!!!!!

it could just as easily be

' so off her face on drugs that she went mental and punched a policewoman and ran in front of a lorry'

nobody knows what happened.or rather why it happened. i don't understand why you have o invent a sob story to justify their actions.

as for your vicar faq-it's irelevant because it's completely different.

if these woman had 'wandered up and down a quiet street' and then been taken to hospital for treatment then of course i'd have felt sorry for them! but they didn't!!!

FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:52

so if my vicar had got into her car that night, and caused an accident (as I'm sure she would have done -she couldn't even make a cup of tea herself that night!) she should have been vilified.......despite the fact that her delusion was due to a lack of oxygen to her brain which was only discovered once she was admitted to hospital??

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 10:53

if if if if

but she didn't did she?

hecate · 26/09/2008 11:00

So sad. I wonder what they were running away from? Forced prostitution was something that occurred to me. The one who was being carried looked terrified. Something must have happened to them, something they were escaping from? Or mental health problems?

How traumatic for the people who witnessed it, and more so for the poor people who hit them. That lorry driver, he looked so upset, I just wanted to cuddle him. He is going to relive that moment over and over.

cali · 26/09/2008 11:05

I have just watched tmmj's link to last nights episode, well
the bit with the two women in it.

During the incident, the police made several references to them "being on something", they did not look especially terrified, especially when the one in the red coat squared up to that traffic cop for a fight.

As for the one who had a compound fracture, those types of injuries are exceptionally painful, yet with no pain relief, she was still trying to attack the people trying to hurt her. What must she have taken, in order for her NOT to be yelling out in agony.

Then later on, the medical staff had to sedate the one who had been wearing the red coat to transport her to hospital, not for her safety but for the safety of the staff involved in her care.
It's been a long time since I did any adult nursing, but I'm sure I remember that we did not sedate any patient who had a head injury as you could not accurately monitor their neurological status. So, they must have been more concerned about her aggression than any head injury.

nope, still can't feel any sympathy for them.

misdee · 26/09/2008 11:08

my thoughts

PCP/Angel Dust

saw the end opf the programme last night, just seen the beginning now.

CvQ · 26/09/2008 11:11

omg
i can say no more!

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 11:14

if they were from some impoverished eastern european state then maybe forced prostitutuion would be something-but they are swedish!!!

FAQ · 26/09/2008 11:15

why is it completely different, her behaviour once she was contained inside her own house was entirely irrational, she wanted to speak to people who were already speaking to her, she verbally attacked many people close to her (none of which she remembers at all)

Because of what was happening in her brain had she been left any longer before being discovered like that she could very easily have done the same as these Swedish girls did.

The start of the video clip shows the women walking down the central reservation (yes dangerous and stupid thing to do) they weren't running across in front of the traffic, and one must assume that they'd walked a fair distance down there before the sequence of events shown on the video clip and the TV last night.

When people are delusional there is no telling what the will do - they are by their very nature unpredictable, there was nothing stopping our vicar getting to the end of the street and walking on the busy main road.

Of course they could have been as high as kites, but we don't know that - so why should we automatically assume that their actions were entirely of their own, willing, doing???

No-one is justifying their actions, we are merely pointing out that it may not be as simple as high as kites and punched a policewoman.

We don't know this, and indeed may never know this. Until I know any different I shall continue to have some sympathy for these women and not assume they were just plain stupid and wreckless deliberately (or because of their own actiosn - such as drug taking).

So I fear we shall have to agree to disagree

WendyWeber · 26/09/2008 11:16

Would they have been identically delusional at the same time?

FAQ · 26/09/2008 11:17

sorry x posts with you there TMMJ "if if if"

well these women didn't cause a fatality did they so one could argue "if if if" on that front too.......

hecate · 26/09/2008 11:20

Anyone can find themselves trapped in that kind of life, TMMJ. I think I just can't understand why or how someone could do something so lunatic unless they were totally desperate, or on drugs, or both.

Doesn't excuse it in any way, what they did was totally wrong and reckless and they deserve to be punished for it. But I just think trying to get hit by traffic on the motorway must mean something is really REALLY wrong.

Beetroot · 26/09/2008 11:30

I am shocked by the men filming it - (not the professional crew)

Beetroot · 26/09/2008 11:31

They are obviously not in a good way.

Something is wrong with both of them

misdee · 26/09/2008 11:35

'they are high on something'
'the only time i;ve dealt with people with similar strength have been those people on drugs or under the influence of alcohol'

it says later at the end of the programme that the one i nred had n idea on why they did what they di or any recollection of events.

shabster · 26/09/2008 11:42

My 11yr old loves traffic cops. I allowed him to watch the first part last night

My 7yr old son was knocked down and killed in 1992 by a small reversing lorry....after watching that last night I ended up running for the loo and throwing up.

This may be an irrational feeling - but my first thought was 'how dare they, how dare they run into traffic. My little lad is not here cause he was in the wrong place at the wrong time - but they were totally weird'....I cant get the programme out of my mind today.

shabster · 26/09/2008 11:52

...might I add, neither of us would have been watching it if I had any idea it was going to be that gory!