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The mad Swedish women on the M6 with a deathwish - they survive but god knows how!

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Monkeytrousers · 25/09/2008 20:02

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7636577.stm

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mayorquimby · 26/09/2008 09:45

selfish bitches. anyone who hit them would have had their life ruined/significantly through the trauma

FAQ · 26/09/2008 09:45

I am MT. I said earlier in the thread that I'm sure there are things which we haven't been told, and may never be told?

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 09:46

well-in a way monkey-it doesn't really matter what their story is. there is no excuse to endanger the lives of so many people.

on the show last night-while the police were struggling with them one of them said 'they are so high we...' can't remember his exact words.

so maybe they were off their faces on drugs.

expatinscotland · 26/09/2008 09:47

not really, MT, other than being really pleased no one who was just doing their job or minding their business was hurt or killed.

ElfOnTheTopShelf · 26/09/2008 09:48

I didn't watch the TV program, but blimey, that was shocking to watch on the BBC link.

Simplysally · 26/09/2008 09:49

Yikes. Truly shocking and it must have been horrific for anyone involved. I don't suppose all the details are allowed to. be made public though for confidentiality reasons

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 09:51

But all suicides are selfish - we do have a modicum of compassion for them still though usually don't we - even just a slither? It was a miricle these women didn't succeed. I dread to think what may have been waiting for them.

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FAQ · 26/09/2008 09:51

so expat - if you were delusional (we are assuming here that it is due to being high on drugs) and did something crazy like that - we would be expected to have no sympathy with you at all?

Obviously if these girls were simply high on drugs through their own doing - then it's entirely different, but we don't know that, and it was never actually confirmed in the programme last night that they were.

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 09:52

Sorry FAQ - maybe three of us then

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expatinscotland · 26/09/2008 09:53

That sounds about right to me, FAQ.

ElfOnTheTopShelf · 26/09/2008 09:53

I feel sorry for anybody who is desperate enough to do something like that, but I also have more sympathy for the people involved in witnessing something like this; the police and the drivers involved.

cali · 26/09/2008 09:54

Heard about this last night but have only just watched the clip.

I feel so sorry for all the drivers involved, especially the drivers who hit the women, it will be something that they never forget.

As for why they did it, I have no idea but imo they were exceptionally selfish and idiotic to endanger the lives of so many.

They could have triggered a multi vehicle crash on the m6, and by running off the way they did, they also put the lives of the police officers in grave danger too.

It really is shocking to watch.

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 09:55

here you go here's the programme from last night.

themildmannneredjanitor · 26/09/2008 09:56

sounds about right to me too. faq. my sympathy is with the poor buggers who ended up traumatised by the actions of these crazy people.

FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:02

my lovely Vicar didn't (thankfully) do anything like that, although she was acting highly irrationally, and was delusional, she was seen wandering up and down our quiet street. And when friends that know her approached her she was totally delusional. Anyone that didn't know her would probably have assumed she was high tbh.

She was admitted to hospital, didn't speak for nearly 3 weeks, and stayed in for several months. Thankfully she has now made a full recovery, but her mental state at that time was discovered to be through a lack of oxygen to the brain, caused by untreated curvature of the spine which meant she had limited oxygen getting to her brain. She's now on oxygen 16hrs a day and has (thankfully) made an almost complete recovery (although is only back at work part time).

My best friends DD has the same condition, although much worse (needing regular surgery to help her grow properly), and diagnosed in the womb - it can be genetic so possible that these girls weren't high on drugs, but had a medical condition.

I'm not saying that this is what happened with these girls, they may have willing taken drugs together and have been as high as kites through their own stupid behaviour.......but we don't know that. And for that reason I@m not going to make any judgments about them.

Yes of course I have the utmost sympathy for those that witnessed/dealt with it. But I feel sad that you think that anyone that is acting in a dangerous/delusional way should have no sympathy directed at them too.

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 10:03

There were no drugs - had there been and with the overall tone of the show, we would have been told. I hated the show actually. Really feeding on ignorance and predjudice and encouraging the viewer to becomnew goaded at the cheek of these forigners.

I am pretty sure that British people drink drive, drive above the speed limit with bald tires, and even attempt suicide on the M6.

I feel sorry for everyone involved - including the women. There's no inconsitancy in that.

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scatterbrain · 26/09/2008 10:04

They didn't look suicidal to me - just desperate to get away from the police. Who knows - maybe they were on drugs - maybe they were delusional and actually thought the police were "something else" - they looked visibly scared of the police and at one point were shouting for someone to get the police!

I wish we did know the whole story as it is really bugging me - although they were mad to start with - the tall one got much worse after her accident so maybe that was to do with head trauma ?

TheDuchessOfNork · 26/09/2008 10:11

I can be quite scathing about the police, their lack of interest following burglaries, messing up evidence at court etc. And then I watch them endanger their lives to save nutters people they don't know, and I think, "OK, they're pretty damned good actually".

I don't want to watch the programme, my only interest would be in why they did it and I gather from this thread that there is no explanation.

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 10:11

There were no drugs - the women went to hospital and drugs would have been tested.

Insane, delusional - well fear and abuse can do that to you if they were trying to escape from somehting - a terrible life even.

And the police latter couched theroi terms by egtting off the 'drugs' theme and saying that a serious head injury could have accoubted for the strength. Don;t forget, one of the women was hit by a car before the poilice got there - and they were running into thte traffic, not away from police.

The violent demenour of the the one in the red couat might be indoicative of how she was living before - it was all fight or flight.

Anyway, this is all speculation. I just wanted to say that I sympathise with everyone involved, but I am more conderned for the women - about what had happened to them and more importantly where they are now.

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cali · 26/09/2008 10:13

If they had triggered an accident that had then killed innocent people, would they still be deserving of sympathy?

It doesn't matter what triggered their behaviour, it was still shocking.

I'm sorry but I can't feel sympathetic towards two individuals who behaved so recklessly for whatever the reason/trigger was.

MaryAnnSingleton · 26/09/2008 10:14

agree with cali

scatterbrain · 26/09/2008 10:18

God no - I have no sympathy - am just intrigued ! MT I doubt they would have told us on the TV if there were drugs involved - there was a lot that was not said or shown on the show last night.

Thing is - would twins really have the same delusional illness ? It must have been a pact or drugs - I don't think there is any other explanation. What is clear is that thyey were bloody frightened of something - whether it was real or not - and out cops did a brave job trying to save them from themselves and managed to protect the general public too.

Monkeytrousers · 26/09/2008 10:24

So you don't have any sympathy becasue of somehting that didn't actually happen? Yes, I do that all the time.

Strange.

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FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:26

no-one is denying that the behaviour was shocking.

We are saying as we don't know the reasons behind the delusional behaviour - of which there can be many - including medical ones.

FAQ · 26/09/2008 10:28

scatterbrain - yes it is possible, they're twins, they have the same genes, so any genetic condition would affect them both (assuming I have my understanding of genetics correct here)