Garry Glitter - I don't get it?

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Can't Thai authorities cuff this scumbag and force him on a plane back to the UK?

I thought when you were deported from somewhere that means authorties put you back on a plane for your home country and you didn't have a choice about going there?

yes, middle class men with the excuse, 'didn't know he/she was underage...'

Right, which is why you logged onto the website and downloaded the images

GG had his face covered with a scarf which he removed for the photographers according to many reports. I wonder how much the tabloids have paid for his photograph.

I really can't believe that an obviously intelligent person could condone the possession of child pornography and the obvious exploitation and harm of innocent children involved in its production.

I have no evidence for this, but I imagine it was probably somebody like GG who took Madeleine McCann, or ordered her to be taken, if she was actually abducted by a porn ring (God forbid).

KM, you are bright that this...

"so if I purchase illicit drugs I shouldn't be penalized either? Only the drug dealers?

If I frequent a prostitute I shouldn't be penalized? Only the prostitute?

If I shoot someone with a gun I shouldn't be penalized? Only the person who made the gun?

If I beat my wife I shouldn't be penalized? Because she asked for it?

If I download tens of thousands of images of children being ripped in half by a gang of men who LAUGH while they kill the child I shouldn't be penalized?"

The analogy isn't apt. People watch a violent film and aren't criminalised for it.

But I certainly agree a % of the population everywhere is interested in sex with or thoughts of sex with children and it will sadly include many partners of mumsnet posters and a proportion of our own children. It's how we ensure people with that instinct are able to control it and don't indulge it which is the tricky issue, just like it would be great if we could get married women to control their sexual urges and not commit adultery. What makes one person able to resist an urge and others not? It's the same with violence too - plenty of people have thought about killing their spouse but most resist the urge.

A similar article in the Times today
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article4597374.ece

Funny how poor thing can't help but act on his impulses but there are no excuses for obese people who surely suffer the same inability to control their cravings?

I agree adultery is consensual but only between the adults. Children are very hurt by it and families riven apart but women and men don't think of that because they can't control their sexual urges. If we could help people control those urges whatever their sexuality might be and study why some people can control them and some can't we might make some progress to ensuring children are protected.

I guess the people that don't think their urges are wrong and are the ones that go through with it, so I am not sure how you can stop people that don't want to be stopped.

I recommend that anyone who is struggling to understand angry feelings towards those who act on paedophilic urges download and watch from teh Channel 4 website 'The Woman Who Married the Eiffel Tower'.

And that'll give you a fair idea of just how much being sexually abused as a child can completely and totally fuck up a person's entire life.

I think many women who commit adultery and probably men who rape girls under 10 do believe those urges are wrong but cannot over come them. Perhaps teachign children they do not have their own way all the time, not giving them everything they want, helping them learn they cannot always have things right away, helps and may be some religious or moral education too.

Do women abuse children? I suppose they do but you don't tend to hear about it quite so much. One starved her daughter to death recently, dreadful.

This adultery analogy doesn't work for me.

The analogy would be men who are attracted to adult women and who take them by force.

Consensual sexual intercourse between adults and non consensual acts between people of any age cannot be compared.

All people have a choice about what actions they take. Some people choose to commit acts of sexual violence. The propensity towards violence and taking by force is the issue rather than the underlying sexuality.

And I am sure children are not hurt as much by parents who split up as those who are repeatedly raped by their dad and his mates.

Dittany's observer article is also very interesting. Aside from the fact I'm so glad that this is being reported in mainstream press in such a way, I think it give insight a little into the abusers.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that most paedophiles are attracted to children aged 5 - 13 (or similar). That would then be their fundamental sexual attraction - who they fancy.

So how come images of babies are being used more and more, only to evade detection? Babies and young children are very different and I would have thought not an attraction you could just move onto. It would be like me saying, well I've always fancied males 20-40, but actually there aren't any of them around so I will fancy a 65 year old.

My point is that this shows that the primary objective of these men is to hurt, abuse, degrade. That is much more important to them than who the victim actually is.

I think if women did abuse children it would cause an even bigger headline in the newspaper than men who do. Firstly, because it's a crime, but secondly because it would be an unnatural crime for a woman, because we are meant to be caregivers and nurturers. I would assume that if the newspapers aren't reporting it, there's no evidence that women do commit child abuse (except with a man e.g. Myra Hindley and Rose Whatserface).