Garry Glitter - I don't get it?

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Can't Thai authorities cuff this scumbag and force him on a plane back to the UK?

I thought when you were deported from somewhere that means authorties put you back on a plane for your home country and you didn't have a choice about going there?

I'm not accusing them of lying.

Oi you are accusing the 14 year old of being a liar.

When faced with his later proven crimes I would say it's more than likely she was telling the truth, and the UK criminal justice system failed her. Given the problem that non-consensual sex between two people usually has no witnesses I think that's more than likely.

where did I accuse her of being a liar chukky? I said the court threw it out. I never said what I personally thought.

msdemeanor, you said "I think it is rather hysterical to think up all sorts of possible ways to blame the victims rather than the perpetrator".

Where has anyone on this thread done that, or stated that they think that the victims are liars?

It appears that a fair bit of this thread is taken up with a few people misinterpreting what others mean.

She wasn't accusing the girls of lying, she was just pointing out that it is one possible explanation for what happened. Her point being that it's important for someone to be convicted in a court of law before punishment is handed out. I'm not in full agreement with her, but it's a fairly conventional viewpoint. .

"I remember, way back when, a 14 year old alleged he had slept with her and it got thrown out of court because it turned out that she stood to make a packet from a paper as she had sold her story (I think it was the NOTW) if the court got Gary Glitter convicted of that crime"

Sounds to me like you think she was lying. I would think that she was probably telling the truth and got screwed by lack of evidence. Hence my earlier point.

FWIW I don't think women, and especially children go around making up stories of sexual abuse. Maybe we have a different starting point.

Which returns to my point about ppl not really caring about the conduct of the tabloid in this case because they think that is the punishment, rather than the reduced jail sentences he's been given.

yup you've made an assumption about what I think which isn't correct.

I personally believe we need to put more focus on trying to understand why it happens and other treatments (like chemical castration, psychiatric services etc.) before we go around locking people up for ever.

I do believe that SOME people should be incarcerated for life and they are already in the current system. I take policy's point about reversing the release system to trying to prove they are not going to reoffend rather than the way it is now but I still think, these people who make the decision to release, they really don't take them lightly at all. And even if they changed it to that way, they are still going to make mistakes unfortunately.

Which is why I believe we (or not us but doctors, social services, police etc.) need to do more to understand why it happens and how it happens and also place a lot more emphasis in SUPPORTING families where it has happened to try and break that cycle because there is a proven cycle of abuse and I know, from personal experience, that the level of support and counselling offered to families where it has happened is virtually non existent. And that really is a very key area if we want to start nipping this in the bud and predicting these problems before they occur.

Paedophilia & incest has been widespread for centuries.

I don't think anyone is displaying a "kindly attitude" towards GG, but some posters are putting forward ideas about how we, as a society, can deal with these perpetrators.

I think it is a valid area of the discussion, and perhaps more useful than accusing other posters of calling the victims liars, or blaming them for the awful abuse they suffered.

Naturally this is a very emotive subject; speculation and assumptions don't help though.

Heated that is true and I don't think we could actually lock up everyone involved, there wouldn't be enough room.

Just because it has been widespread for centuries doesn't mean we can't move on. Women aren't regarded as chattels in this country any more (by most men) which is a start.

Are they singled out for more sympathy?
I don't see that myself. I certainly don't know anyone who has sympathy for them.

I think they are. People see it as a "lapse". Or (bizarrely) agree that their DD/children they have abused were very attractive and so who could blame them. This from UK judges.

We think we do well in the UK but sexual abuse, rape are very widespread. More so than anyone wants to think.

Who sympathised with Chris Langham?
Sorry, am not being argumentative but genuinely did not read/hear anything of the sort

I heard that. Oh dear his career is ruined. It's only a lapse, things on the computer. What a shame.

He's so talented, this could end his career. What a terrible shame.

That's creepy

Yeah, there was some dimwit on Any Questions on R4 today saying what a shame it was that Chris Langham had lost his career.

Clearly the fact that he had thousands of images of child abuse of the very gravest kind on his computer doesn't bother some of his showbiz mates too much.