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Garry Glitter - I don't get it?

398 replies

expatinscotland · 21/08/2008 09:43

here

Can't Thai authorities cuff this scumbag and force him on a plane back to the UK?

I thought when you were deported from somewhere that means authorties put you back on a plane for your home country and you didn't have a choice about going there?

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ConstanceWearing · 25/08/2008 15:22

Ah, then clearly women do commit sexual abuse. But they are a minority, and I don't think it affects the overall argument. Such women are presumably as guilty as the men, and should be reviled by society too.

mrz · 25/08/2008 16:10

I think the initial paragraph clearly illustrates why it can't be marginalised just because these offenders are in a minority "It is widely recognised that the sexual abuse of children poses a major threat to their safety and long-term emotional and psychological well-being. However, most of the focus on this issue has been on the male perpetrator, with the issue of female sexual abuse not being so readily addressed within the context of policy or research. However, there is compelling evidence of a wide variety of sexual offences known to have been committed by females, either independently or with a male perpetrator. These range from voyeurism and inappropriate touching to rape, penetration with objects and ritualistic, sadistic sexual abuse.

The main aim of this report is to raise awareness of female sex offending by highlighting what is currently known about this group of offenders ..."
The Birmingham research may hint that this could be far more widespread but that it is somehow seen as "unlikely" that women would do such a thing and the authorities react differently in their response.

dittany · 25/08/2008 16:16

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mrz · 25/08/2008 16:28

So because it isn't happening in Thailand or Vietnam only in the UK it isn't an issue?

LittleBella · 25/08/2008 17:19

fgs of course it's an issue, just not as big an issue as men doing it. Over 95%. That's a bigger problem. Yes you could target all the resources into the problem 5%, but it would not be a good use of resources would it? It would not save so many children.

And actually, the women who do indulge in it and are caught, are more reviled than men. Rosemary West and Myra Hindley anyone?

UniversallyChallenged · 25/08/2008 23:45

From Xenia -" I would prefer a few children are abused than 60 million people in the UK get more surveillance than they have at present, even if that means my own children at risk. "

I think this is the most disgusting comment I have ever read on mumsnet. YOUR right not to be on a cctv camera you feel overides a little child's right not to be abused?

You are so wrong to say that. It's shameful and heartless and I am truly shocked someone could write and feel that was.

Dropdeadfred · 26/08/2008 12:09

Xenia I can only assume that you didn't connect your brain to your typing fingers wen you made that dsgusting statement. To bemoan the need (or perceived need) for more CCTV is fine...to actually state that you would be willing to have your children at risk to assure that CCTV cameras would not be increased is inconceivably callous and I do not believe you could have meant that.

matildax · 26/08/2008 14:25

xenia, again you have infuriated me....
what a completely disgusting thing to write, you clearly are lacking in compassion, i cannot believe anyone could be so callous as to say such a thing. your posts drive me nuts at the best of times, but this little offering takes the prize, as the most thoughtless horrid comment i have ever read.
shame on you.

Judy1234 · 26/08/2008 18:42

No,it's a logical thing to write. You are all wrong. Surely you all have a line yo udraw. Would you lock all men up to ensure no women were beaten and raped and children raped? No, so you're drawing a line and taking risks with your own children on the grounds of huamn rights just as I am saying. We must not let this Government erode our rights and freedoms any more. It's disgusting how far they ahave gone and all you lot just sit there and let it go by, victims of the tabloid press believing what they want you to believe.

Judy1234 · 26/08/2008 18:42

No,it's a logical thing to write. You are all wrong. Surely you all have a line yo udraw. Would you lock all men up to ensure no women were beaten and raped and children raped? No, so you're drawing a line and taking risks with your own children on the grounds of huamn rights just as I am saying. We must not let this Government erode our rights and freedoms any more. It's disgusting how far they ahave gone and all you lot just sit there and let it go by, victims of the tabloid press believing what they want you to believe.

donnie · 26/08/2008 19:08

this thread is actually quite funny now.

Dropdeadfred · 26/08/2008 19:11

Xenia...do you have a number of children that you think would be adequate (to be sexually abused) before further cameras should be brought in? would you like to chat with them afterwards and explain that you thought it was okay for them to go through hell because you didn't want to appear on CCTV cameras....? FFS

CrushWithEyeliner · 26/08/2008 19:15

Pathetic Xenia, new depths...

Dropdeadfred · 26/08/2008 19:18

I actually think that post should be deleted....to actually state that she would rather children were abused than she should lose her percieved freedom...

how on earth can the presence of CCTV cameras ever be a real problem for innocent people???

UniversallyChallenged · 26/08/2008 19:27

From Xenia "Would you lock all men up to ensure no women were beaten and raped and children raped? No... "

Dont ask us a question please and then answer it.

Having sadly worked with mother abused children I know it's of course not just men.

Your total illogical point of locking the innocent, loving men up with the guilty men has proved to me you have no basis for your repellent comment and you should ask for it to be deleted.

LittleBella · 26/08/2008 19:56

It is a logical statement if you believe there's a correlation between surveillance by CCTV and children being abused.

But there isn't. So it's not logical. Seeing as how most abuse takes place in the home, where there is no CCTV, I am puzzled as to how you've even made that link Xenia.

CrushWithEyeliner · 26/08/2008 20:30

That's part of the problem isn't it though, people like Xenia perceiving "a few children" somewhere out there in the world being abused so far away from me and so removed from my reality that makes it seem unreal. God forbid if it were your children or those who are close to you who were part of that "few" maybe CCTV wouldn't be such a big deal then.

CrushWithEyeliner · 26/08/2008 20:30

That's part of the problem isn't it though, people like Xenia perceiving "a few children" somewhere out there in the world being abused so far away from me and so removed from my reality that makes it seem unreal. God forbid if it were your children or those who are close to you who were part of that "few" maybe CCTV wouldn't be such a big deal then.

ConstanceWearing · 27/08/2008 00:19

"... all you lot just sit there and let it go by, victims of the tabloid press believing what they want you to believe".

I don't think that's terribly fair Xenia. There are very few women on here incapable of independent thought. That's why I like the place, the people here are clever and amusing. Certainly not tailored by the tabloids, in the main.

Dropdeadfred · 27/08/2008 10:28

My problem is not whether CCTV would or wouldn't prevent further crimes...it is purely Xenia's choice that she would rather that a few children were abused than the public have to 'put up with' their priacy being eroded.

BUT - what harm to innocent people could CCTV be? why would anyone be so against cameras that they would pay the price of childrens' safety and wellbeing to prevent it?

Elffriend · 27/08/2008 10:53

I actually shut down mumsnet for a bit when I read Xenia's comment as it made me feel a bit ill.

No wish to be drawn into this but, just for the record Xenia...

You are not the only educated, successful and intelligent woman on mumsnet Xenia. Stop addressing people in that tone - it makes you look childish and ridiculous.

Again.

I'm not going to grace your actual "logical" statements with a reply. I could cos, hey, aside from anything else I have a first in philosophy and so can be pretty good at logic (and I'm not even a stonkingly well paid, well bred, genetically blessed lawyer -gasp) but, quite frankly, I can't be arsed.

Dropdeadfred · 27/08/2008 11:14

I did request Xenia's post to be deleted but MN thought it more befitting that she ran the gauntlet of all our uneducated, unintelligent arguments instead

Elffriend · 27/08/2008 11:37

It's shame. Somewhere in there lies an intersting discussion - if child abuse could be eradicated by CCTV, then would this be a price worth paying? THAT could be an interesting debate (though clearly not a new one).

Xenia's brain may well have been hovering around that question. However, as ever, because she cannot credit anyone but herself with any intelligence she attacks the subject like a hippo in ballet shoes.

Dropdeadfred · 27/08/2008 11:48

Elffriend - but whay are you even questionning if it would be a price worth paying???? what argument against it could you come up wth???

mrz · 27/08/2008 11:49

( By CrushWithEyeliner on Tue 26-Aug-08 20:30:23
That's part of the problem isn't it though, people like Xenia perceiving "a few children" somewhere out there in the world being abused so far away from me and so removed from my reality that makes it seem unreal. God forbid if it were your children or those who are close to you who were part of that "few" maybe CCTV wouldn't be such a big deal then. )

I totally agree I think part of the problem is that some people are so protected from reality living in their ivory towers they have lost their humanity.
Personally I don't think CCTV will prevent child abuse BUT I do think monitoring website and internet use may go some way to identifying individuals who deal in and fuel the "trade" and if that's what it takes to protect children it is one liberty I am more than willing to relinguish.