Garry Glitter - I don't get it?

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Can't Thai authorities cuff this scumbag and force him on a plane back to the UK?

I thought when you were deported from somewhere that means authorties put you back on a plane for your home country and you didn't have a choice about going there?

thankyou for that expat

Yes, saw it expat. Royally farked in the head, the poor buggers.

That poor lady! She was absolutely gorgeous, too.

100% fucked up. Went on to be raped as an adult, too.

I hope there is a special place in hell for the people who did that to her as a child.

It ruined her life.

"The analogy isn't apt. People watch a violent film and aren't criminalised for it."

They are actors Xenia, not victims. BIG difference. If you can't see the difference you shouldn't be spouting opinion as fact, even on mumsnet.

If people watched a violent film where people were actually beating the crap out of each other I think that would be illegal wouldn't it? Like attending a bare knuckle boxing match is illegal?

I do know someone who was abused by his mother as a child. He was an alcoholic from teenage years and had an 'addiction' to prostitutes. He has been dry now for over 15 years however has never had a serious relationship with a woman and would be considered strange by many. However, despite the fact he is on the internet for 15 hours a day - and therefore people think he is wierd- he is in fact doing a marvellous job (paid and official) of tracking abuse on the internet.

On the internet porn thing, there really are very easy ways of tracking who is accessing child abuse sites, but the government has not quite got there yet - hindered by freedom rights etc. Although the Internet as it stands allows people to do pretty much anything - in the future it will close in and people will be tracked wherever they go - let's hope it's soon !

This thread makes me and ..how anyone could do that to children...screw prison...hang the feckers!

Go back a few hundred years or more and girls were marriageable at 12 (I recall King John's wife was 12) and one modern tv historian said that incest was incredibly common, especially when the nights drew in early.

The notion we have of a idealised, innocent childhood is a newish one (Victorian at earliest and only if you were middle class or higher, presumably not if you were being shoved up chimneys or were a match girl).

So this sense of outrage is newish I guess. I'm totally in agreement btw, I can't think of anything more likely to arouse parental protective instincts & GG and their ilk are repugnant, but since the uncomfortable topic of genetics came up, I wondered how far men are programmed to look at young women/girls/children as desirable.

Heated I can see the point you are making about girls/women essentially being attractive to lots of men from puberty, as they are capable of bearing children.

And remember in the olden days there were a lot of religious strictures to try to prevent sexual activity before marriage, even if marriage came young.

However a lot of the child porn/victims seem to be pre-pubescant, which kind of puts a kibosh on that theory.

There is more to it I'm sure. Men who have "relationships" with say 14 year old girls are rarely prosecuted (although they should be) and are a different animal to the GG types who prey on the very young.

Heated is right. I don't think anything is worse or different from how it ever was but public outrage is stronger. As I said above in Victorian London there were openly run child brothels.

And the suggestion women don't abuse children.... just do some research. Sadly every day you find mothers burning children with cigarettes, beating them and all kinds of things, many sexual too sadly.

I think the suggestion was that women don't often sexually abuse children. Which I'm sure is right. I don't see many women being arrested as a result of operation ore.

No-one is denying that women abuse children in other ways but this thread is about sexual abuse.

Things are different now partly because of the internet. Men who would not have known other men with the same tastes are now in "communities" with many others around the world, sharing abuse pictures and egging each other on. That is certainly new.

Peas , God bless your friend who used his experience to help others, instead of as an excuse to abuse others in his turn.

See, the power of choice.

Heated even in King John's day his infatuation with a child was frowned upon
"John incurred further opposition through his infatuation with Isabella of Angouleme, the twelve year old daughter of Count Aymer of Angouleme and Alix de Courtenay. She had been betrothed to Hugh de Lusignan, although the marriage had been delayed because of her extreme youth. The unprincipled John stole the enchanting Isabella from under Hugh's very nose."

Yes, has always been with us and yet not studied anything like enough. For example do we know how many men have sexual thoughts about girls below the age of puberty and how many girls at puberty up to age 15? Then do we know what percentage of those men then act on those feelings of desire? And have we looked at why those who have the feelings but do not act on them manage to restrain themselves? Then we could look at more effective means of stopping it.

I think we'd probably all be horrified to discover how many men had those feelings, in all honesty. Because of the internet, we now know that it is a lot more common than we once thought, and is probably even more common than that, except that some men don't act on it.

heated i find the word incest in this debate tasteless

its abuse

"in the future it will close in and people will be tracked wherever they go - let's hope it's soon ! "

It's always a difficult balance between our freedoms and police investigations. I would prefer a few children are abused than 60 million people in the UK get more surveillance than they have at present, even if that means my own children at risk. We have lost so many legal rights under this Labour Government and most people in this country don't care at all about that.

i blame sahms

eelcod - sahm - the downfall of society

You're quite welcome to. I was using the term the historian (Schama) used in the context of what he was discussing and the word was apt. I don't think anyone thinks that incest is not abuse. Incest perpetrated by an adult of either gender against a child is called "intrafamilial child sexual abuse". The most-often reported form of incest is of this inherently abusive form.

Dittany as ever your posts are bang on here

ConstanceWearing "I would assume that if the newspapers aren't reporting it, there's no evidence that women do commit child abuse" "The research literature highlighted that females can, and do, perpetrate sexual offences and are responsible for up to 5 per cent of all sexual offences committed against children." full script here

"Conclusion: While child protection professionals considered child sexual abuse perpetrated by females to be a serious issue warranting intervention, a number of advocated decisions suggested that they did not consider female-perpetrated abuse to be as serious as male-perpetrated abuse. The implication is that victims of sexual abuse perpetrated by a woman may be less likely to receive the protection afforded victims of male-perpetrated abuse. Furthermore, professionals? practices may be inadvertently perpetuating the view that female child sexual abuse is rare or less harmful than abuse carried out by males." Birmingham University research