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ReallyTired · 18/07/2008 18:13

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7514513.stm

I think that proposals like these are long over due. Although I think that if you make people work full time for their benefits they won't have time to look for job.

Prehaps they should work three days a week and look for a job two days a week.

There are people who for good reasons cannot work full time, but certainly could do something part time.

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ilovemydog · 18/07/2008 21:09

Oh c'mon expat - didn't you appreciate his comments re: leftovers? Wasn't he at a banquet for the G8 at the time?

Bet he didn't get a doggy bag

FAQ · 18/07/2008 21:09

even the wheat from the chaff isn't clear cut,

Why do they choose not to work?

Pehaps they don't see why they should work extremely long hours with crap working conditions just to get the same amount of money as they get while sat at home on their arses??

Perhaps they think

"well if I'm going to be poor I may as well stay at home and be poor" - if they see no benefits in working (which sadly for many there are no benefits other than being able to say that they're now working and not on the dole anymore) there's hardly a reason to go out and find a job.

expatinscotland · 18/07/2008 21:12

MN should write a speech about how wasteful he is, ilove .

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:16

I don't particulary trust this government to do anything expat.
But I would like to see the lazy bugger next door and the thousands like him to a days work, even if it unpaid. I think I would actually pay to see it.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:16

FAQ - and perhaps they are just lazy.

expatinscotland · 18/07/2008 21:17

That's an awful lot of energy expended on shadenfreude, foxy, it really is.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:19

That somehoe implies my neighbour is a victim and that is really one thing he isn't.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:19

somehow

expatinscotland · 18/07/2008 21:21

You're awfully concerned about your neighbours, foxy.

I'm glad you have spare money to spend on a cause like appeasing your bitterness.

When we have spare change, we like to give it to causes like starving people and the like.

FAQ · 18/07/2008 21:23

foxy - if he really is living the life of Riley (sp) while on benefits - shop him - it just isn't possible to life like that unless he's getting money from elsehwere.....

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:23

Yeah I'm minted expat.
Me and dp work for Royal Mail as postman (well I'm a postwoman)
Dont ya know we get paid millions per letter we deliver

expatinscotland · 18/07/2008 21:25

Oh, we're so minted, too. DH works for a hotel and drives a mini-bus.

I still really have better things to do with my time than police my neighbours and monitor their financial outgoings and then get angry about them.

But to each his own, I guess.

mrsruffallo · 18/07/2008 21:27

I can see a opositive side to this, actually.
It could give many people the confidence to go to work, the motivation and the routine.
I think that many long term unemployed have lost any motivation and their lives can be very empty/boring/ mundane.
This may provide the motivation they need.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:30

We did report them to the council FAQ after the bloke spent all day and night fixing bikes in his garden last summer (we had only just moved in). Spent 6 months listening to bikes revving day and night. Kept us awake, He didn't care about normal social hours, he didn't have a job to get up for.

Anyway he responsed by vandalising our car. It was a write off, cost us loads in excess on the insurance.

Dont think we need the hassle of going through that again.

Expat - I have every reason to be bitter.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:32

I agree mrsruffallo.

When dp asked him next door to keep the noise down he said he fixes the bikes because otherwise he is bored .. get a farking job you lazy goodfornothing

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:33

This couple are rasing five children, what sort of example are they setting their kids?

I am also using my neigbours as an example, their are thousands of people just like them all over the country.

myredcardigan · 18/07/2008 21:34

Well clearly he's just a tosser, Foxy. Sounds like he's be a tosser whatever he did.

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:34

there

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:35

True myredcardigan.

But he should be made to work. It's not right he can get away with not working and having the state pay for everything

bobthebuddha · 18/07/2008 21:39

I don't know if there's any point arguing about this. I believe all these Purnell proposals are set for around 2010. If that's the case, it ain't gonna happen. There's an election due June 2010 latest; Labour will not be around to implement these plans. And whatever MNers have to say about the evil Tories I'd be monumentally surprised if they got anything like this underway themselves. This sort of plan seems to have popped up time and again over the years.

FAQ · 18/07/2008 21:45

they are raising 5 children - then perhaps it's not financially viable for him to work (legally)

foxymolly · 18/07/2008 21:50

It cant be right thought FAQ, that they get more money for not working.
There is a massive flaw in the system if thats true

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ReallyTired · 18/07/2008 21:54

"they are raising 5 children - then perhaps it's not financially viable for him to work (legally) "

The system needs to be changed. Being on benefits should never been seen as a normal way of life.

People in work are generally healthier and happier. If the state give those on long term benefits a job it would get them used to a routine. It would be good socially and restore a bit of pride.

The problem is how to stop children suffering in families where they aren't even prepared to try.

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GodzillasBumcheek · 18/07/2008 21:56

this is a thread i started intended (and failing miserably) to start a discussion about the Work Placement system that is in at the moment.

The reason i think this is relevant is that there is ALREADY a scheme to give long-term unemployed people 'something to go on their CV'.

has done several stints at this over the years, his latest being in a shop. He (although obviously i only have his word to go on about this!) works very hard as he has done on all his Placements. They all say to every 'in training' employee when they start "if you work hard you might even get a job out of this".

In all the time he has been unemployed, DH has yet to meet a single person employed or not, who has been taken on after a Work Placement. It DOES NOT HAPPEN. The companies are far too interested in the free (in fact they are paid to 'train' people) labour they are getting, which means they don't have to actually pay someone to do the job.

HOW is this helping people find work? Please explain to me because i think if you believe forcing people into crappy jobs as slaves, you are pathetically delusional.

GodzillasBumcheek · 18/07/2008 21:59

People in work healthier and happier? Depends what kind of work i would reckon.