what do you think? was the resturant right?

[2shoes]

or is it discrimination

I now await being asked to not take dd to places incase she puts people off their food.

'What would have been a nice way for him to treat her (paying customer).'

here's a revolutionary thought

ask!

if people said to me ds3 (cant yet do cutlery) was an issue, what could they do? i would say a quiet corner

actually i would prefer a quiet corner, who wants to be the entertainment anyway?

I would imagine the reason she eats out (as someone said) is as likely to be because she struggles with cooking as the social aspect?

i guess being a quite possibly well off artist type person she is used to eating out as the norm

DS1 is dyspraxic, and consequently he is a very messy eater.

A friend's mother made him sob himself to sleep when he was about 7, as she told him he couldn't go back for dinner until his table manners had improved, as he had spilt gravy on her tablecloth.

He still remembers it with shame to this day.

So god knows how humiliated the poor lady in this news report must feel.

lol stealth, no i think ds4 was busy carpeting it in pasta instead(we do leave tips!)

Riven how on earth did you keep cool on the bus? i wouldnt have

(Peachy dh in annoyed at her for putting herself at risk as she was telling ds1 off for inappropriate behaviour in asda, junkie-looking type started taking piss to his mate and peachy turned around and pointed out that had his mother spent more energy the same way he might have made more of himself......... ooops....... tyherby risking a slap i guess...... and being aqware that his mother was probably fan and shocked her ds pissed and / or high in asda at teatime....)

i think she has been brave in going and exposing this

she is upset

and lots of people would have just crawled under a stone

peachy have you graduated

yes zippi- thank goodness!

Tis the other customers that disgust me the most - it does sound as though the manager has had to make a hard decision because of their intolerance.

omg i cant believe that congratulations you wiull be saying next you have a one year old or something

it scares me i will be drawing my pension soon if time moves this quick

(except i wont cos i dont have one)

lol no, 3 months- still zooming along though [sad

If you are parent/carer to someone who can't/won't stop yelling do you take them to the cinema or do you consider that it might not be very fair on others?

It's a shame if you have a disability, but we didn't do it to you and I'm a bit tired of hearing "I'm in a minority do everything my way". the rest of us have feelings and rights too.

If the person was (through no fault of her own) acting in a manner that would put other people off their food then it was a selfish act to go there in the first place.

"I don't care if they lose money. I'm disabled!"

i see no reason why the fact i have a disabled pair means i shouldnt relax

but on the same selfish scale

clearly i am more in need of a break than you so fuck off and cook at home whilst i relax, there's a love

so what do you mean? do disabled people just stay in?
surely at the end of the day they have a right to a life too

"I don't care if they lose money. I'm disabled!"

No-one has said that though.

A woman with a degenerative illness just wants to eat out at the same place that she has eaten at every day for the last two years, without the spineless manager passing on a message to her that she is banned because he values other customers above her.

Do you know, if I had to chose between living in a world where people with particular needs were given respect and help, or a world where the strongest and fittest hold sway I know which one I'd chose.

The standard of a society can be judged by how we treat the least able.

I'd rather have some messy meals, and disturbed cinema trips and live in a society that has some compassion. And thank God nightly that the disturbance to me and mine is transitory. Not everyone is so fortunate

Greyriverside your post is quite sick

Greyriversdie, do u have any idea of how isolating ot can be to be disabled or be the carer of someone disabled.

for year we didnt do much, as dh couldnt go out alone. he couldnt go the cinema, he couldnt go to many resturants, he couldnt go shopping, he couldnt even pick up his children from school.

i dotn care how many people were put of their food by the sight of his blood. i dont care if thwey found the noise annoying because all we wanted to do was act like a normal family as much as we could.

Greyriverside.

This is what I did today.

Today was dd2's birthday. We went to pizza express with my mum and dad. My father has severe MS.

He has to be fed.
He has to be assisted to drink.
Sometimes food falls out of his mouth. Sometimes it falls on his face, sometimes on his jumper, sometimes on the floor.
We have to wipe the area around his mouth a lot.
Sometimes his colostomy bag makes alarming gurgling and farting noises.
He falls asleep frequently at the table (this is beacause of his MS, not because we are boring company).

We all had a lovely time. It was great to go out, all the family together and to eat and drink in a restaurant, surrounded by other families.

I can imagine, if you sat and stared at my father for a long time, it might put you off your food, if you were sensitive about such things.

So I ask you, was my father being selfish to go to dd2's birthday lunch today?

Or should we have left him at home?

Serious question. Please answer it.

Well, gees, Greyriver, she hasn't been eating there for free for the past 2.5 years.

I'm not disabled. But I don't think I have a right to live without a single inconvenience in life, either.

BFD, so one meal or cinema trip went a little differently, it would make me even more appreciative of how relatively easy I have it.

This lady isn't just disabled, she's dying of her disease, very slowly, knowing full well how it will rob her of the dignity of even knowing who she is towards the end.

why is only one way of experiencing life what people want

ok you go mout for a meal you have someone who has disabilities on the next table

its different maybe from having a couple who cant wait to get into each others pants

but its still p[eople and being part of a social feeling

i would be thinking how nice this restaurant has a good feeling aboiut it

"It's a shame if you have a disability, but we didn't do it to you".

Who is this "we" of whom you speak, GRS.

Cos I sure as hell don't want to be lumped in with someone who thinks that considers a disabled person to be selfish because they want to eat in a restaurant.

I despair of the selfish attitude that seems to be pervading our society.

Not only that but whose decision is it to make? I thought one of the main point of the DDA is that people with disabilities are customers too, some of them even have lots of money to spend It makes little business sense to isolate a huge number of customers because a small proportion of other customers might be offended.
I seem to have spent a lot of MN time recently ranting about customer service

Slubber, I think it's fantastic that you had such a great time with your father. I love seeing families together enjoying themselves whether any of the party have high care needs or not.
But if I read the articles correctly, she was dining alone and did not have anyone with her to help her/ help her stand up for herself. At this stage of her condition, I believe she should have a companion with her when she goes out, if only to help her when she absolutely needs it, not doing everything for her.

Slubber, what makes you so sure your not boring company!

'It's a shame if you have a disability, but we didn't do it to you and I'm a bit tired of hearing "I'm in a minority do everything my way". '

It is a shame isn't it?

But those disabled people really do have it all their own way.

We poor able-bodied must just struggle through as best we can