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Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Yesterday 06:57

I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 09:53

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:51

It was all over X
Thanks to Elon Musk there is still some exposure to ignored by the Biased Broadcasting Corporation,

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It was, I’m not on there but it was on IG too.

I was wondering what the pp who relies on The Guardian, BBC and Independent heard about the case months ago.

Dollymylove · Yesterday 09:54

Therr waa absolutely no evidence that Henry was racist, despite the police taking his phone and combing through it, desperate to get something on him

CoralOP · Yesterday 09:54

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:51

It was all over X
Thanks to Elon Musk there is still some exposure to ignored by the Biased Broadcasting Corporation,

Edited

GB news also reported it properly in the aftermath , I guess it shows the media channels that are 'regulated' on what they can broadcast...yet still people blindly follow the BBC and ITV.

TwoPercentForLookingInTheMirrorTwice · Yesterday 09:54

Alexandra2001 · Yesterday 09:41

The Police in this case, didn't deliberately fail to treat the victim, they were negligent and incompetent but it was a mistake.

Take the Knee was about deliberate Police brutality/murder.

Its sick that some people try turn this into their own twisted political points scoring.

I also do not understand the law allowing the carrying of a large knife but people can be stabbed with screwdrivers, kitchen knives, tools etc.

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They did deliberately fail to treat the victim though. Because of his skin colour and the skin colour of his murderer. He was accused of racism and assumed to be the perpetrator, despite all the evidence before their eyes. Because he was White.

So, people voicing outrage about racial discrimination (especially with unforgivably catastrophic consequences) should be amplified and given space to speak… unless you’re White, in which case you are a sick person, twisting the discussion for political point scoring. Noted.

Anonymouseinthecity · Yesterday 09:55

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 09:36

When was the last time you were stopped and searched as part of a routine/random check?

I'm genuinely fascinated by this. Should the police stop and search random old ladies just to even things up? Or would that be a waste of their time and resources? Are you genuinely arguing that police shouldn't target the groups most likely to be offending?

Genevieva · Yesterday 09:55

Erin1975 · Yesterday 09:43

Groups of people get exemptions form many laws on religious grounds. Carrying a knife is only one. Followers of different religions are allowed to kill animals in an inhumane way, allow their children to die when they can be saved by doctors, assault babies with a razor blade and remove parts of their anatomy and I'm sure there are many more examples.

This is all quite new and still settling dorm in English law, which is very ancient. The basic principle is that Lady Justice is blind and justice should be administered without fear or favour.

In Britain, the first exemption was for kosher slaughter in 1928. The second exemption was for turban wearing Sikhs not to have to wear a motorcycle helmet in 1976. The third was for Sikhs to be allowed to carry their ceremonial daggers in 1986. These were all discussed in Parliament and written into law. Other exemptions have been allowed by the back door. For example, marriages are meant to be registered, but Muslims typically don’t register theirs. Consequently some Muslims engage in polygamy, which is illegal, without being prosecuted. This has never been discussed and agreed to in parliament. I think that all exemptions should be reviewed regularly, so that the underlying principle of equality before the law is upheld.

Gloriia · Yesterday 09:55

Dollymylove · Yesterday 09:49

They should be done for gross negligence manslaughter

They should. I could understand the confusion if poor Henry had been upright, combative and threatening but he was laid still clearly in serious distress and they didn't administer first aid, why?

A female plod mumbles 'we should check him', no shit Sherlock! That bright white hand of the victim as he was clearly shut down and none them looked for injures, administered first aid or acted with any sense of urgency.

Just so sickening and upsetting

SovietSpy · Yesterday 09:56

This is what worries me. Is it police policy that they will handcuff /arrest you if someone accuses you of racism without even talking to
you about what happened and establishing facts?

I think the police need to urgently clarify as I cannot understand why Henry was handcuffed when lying prone on the ground. On what basis was he arrested? Just that the other person said he’d done something racist? Fucking scary.

Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time
selfloveandselfrespect · Yesterday 09:56

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You want people to riot?? The murderer has been jailed, the Police are being investigated. Why would there be a need to riot? We can't compare this to a case which happened during lockdown. The riots occurred due to lack of accountability. This is being handled differently

RoboBoogie · Yesterday 09:58

selfloveandselfrespect · Yesterday 09:51

Henry was killed with an ordinary knife not the Kirpan.

The judge called it a 'Sikh' knife that he was allowed to carry for the particular arm of his Sikh religion (Nihang) .

I've copied the Judge's comments further up the thread.

prh47bridge · Yesterday 09:59

CoralOP · Yesterday 09:45

It's literally all over the news channels today, in papers, people finally talking about it on here, there was none of this on the regular news channels when it actually happened.

You mean apart from the BBC reports on the 4th, 7th, 8th and 10th of December, the report of a charity match in memory of Nowak on the 19th February and the reports of the trial?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 09:59

prh47bridge · Yesterday 09:59

You mean apart from the BBC reports on the 4th, 7th, 8th and 10th of December, the report of a charity match in memory of Nowak on the 19th February and the reports of the trial?

Was there much about the police and their failings in those reports?

Emilesgran · Yesterday 10:01

TheHateUGive · Yesterday 08:01

There has never been a problem with it before. It's one of the main symbols of their religion.

So what? There are other countries where Sikhs manage to live where their “ceremonial” blade is banned just like all similar knives. In those countries they carry actual symbolic representations like this:
https://twitter.com/kingkapoor72/status/2061401211559891178?s=20

Harman Singh Kapoor (@kingkapoor72) on X

Carrying a kirpan like this also solves the issue of religious belief. We don’t need a long and sharp blade to fulfil our need to carry a ceremonial dagger.

https://x.com/kingkapoor72/status/2061401211559891178?s=20

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 10:02

A pp made the point that the “racist” accusation has become a tool for ne’er do wells. And anyone in authority cowers or capitulates in fear of the label.

You can even see its use on MN - a poster thinks that shouting “Racism!” means that they can shut down a discussion of which they disapprove, even if it has nothing to do with race (see, on a trivial level, Meghan Markle threads).

user293948849167 · Yesterday 10:02

OrlandointheWilderness · Yesterday 08:07

@PropertyD the reason you didn’t know that Sikhs were allowed to carry knives is because I don’t think there has ever been an attack like this before. The Sikh religion is based on everyone being completely equal and is generally very peaceful. I don’t think that this attack was because he was carrying a knife due to religion - I think it is because he was a nutcase who would have carried a knife anyway.
I agree - I think this is definitely a case of the police assuming he was guilty. We are so keen to avoid offence that the police will prioritise that, in this case at the cost of someone’s life.

Yeah but if this “nutcase” had been searched by the police ever they would have said their knife was cermonial because of their religion and the police wouldn’t have taken that knife away.

This isn’t ok and I think a lot of people didn’t realise Sikhs were allowed to carry actual knives capable of killing somebody.

It shouldn’t be allowed, there hasn’t been a case like this before, but there has now so the law needs to change. The risk of it happening again is too high, one person killed is too many.

TwoPercentForLookingInTheMirrorTwice · Yesterday 10:03

selfloveandselfrespect · Yesterday 09:56

You want people to riot?? The murderer has been jailed, the Police are being investigated. Why would there be a need to riot? We can't compare this to a case which happened during lockdown. The riots occurred due to lack of accountability. This is being handled differently

Good one. Now where exactly did I say I wanted people to riot?(?) You saw what you wanted to see because you read my comment with your own preconceived notions.

RoboBoogie · Yesterday 10:03

CoralOP · Yesterday 09:45

It's literally all over the news channels today, in papers, people finally talking about it on here, there was none of this on the regular news channels when it actually happened.

This is from December last year....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y2lklgpl9o

OhBotherSaidPoo · Yesterday 10:03

Glowingup · Yesterday 08:31

At the end of the day, the police are often put in very difficult situations and have to make split second decisions. Here, the decision was plainly wrong but it is very difficult if you arrive on a scene, are given an account and then have to decide how you respond. Hindsight is wonderful.

It wasn't just the actions of one officer. All of them were stupidly negligent and accepted the "white racist boy" narrative willingly, no enquiring mind, no compassion, just accepting that young white man = racist.
The only one who appeared to help was the member of the public who came to his aid and told the police he was unable to sit upright. That alone should have rung huge alarm bells.

Imaginary86 · Yesterday 10:04

Womblesgash · Yesterday 09:50

Is it any wonder though the Officers acted in a racist way as you've called it?

Yes those Officers were grossly negligent but for years Police forces and officers have been told by everyone they ARE racist, they stop search too many non-white people, they pull over non-white people in vehicles too much for no reason whatsoever, they don't investigate race incidents properly in comparison to other crimes etc..

Who cares if they ‘look’ racist? They are there to do their jobs properly not to be popular. If you’re non white and the police believe you may need a stop and search that should be the case. Being scared of looking racist has caused a young innocent man to die. A man who was lying on the floor barely conscious and they STILL handcuffed him

carchi · Yesterday 10:04

TheHateUGive · Yesterday 08:01

There has never been a problem with it before. It's one of the main symbols of their religion.

Who cares if it's about their religion. That's not a reason or excuse to carry a deadly weapon. Look what has happened and just because it's never happened before does not mean it won't happen again. They should not be allowed to carry these items.

PistolPacker · Yesterday 10:05

OhBotherSaidPoo · Yesterday 10:03

It wasn't just the actions of one officer. All of them were stupidly negligent and accepted the "white racist boy" narrative willingly, no enquiring mind, no compassion, just accepting that young white man = racist.
The only one who appeared to help was the member of the public who came to his aid and told the police he was unable to sit upright. That alone should have rung huge alarm bells.

That man was the murderer‘s father.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · Yesterday 10:06

Genevieva · Yesterday 09:42

Some Sikh leaders were in the news recently condemning the crime and saying they wish to review the position of the religion on blades. There’s no need for a ceremonial kirpan to (a) be carried daily and (b) be sharp enough to cause harm. Many Sikhs just have a charm sized kirpan like a pendant on a necklace.

I'm glad to hear this.

CliantheLang · Yesterday 10:06

Glowingup · Yesterday 09:21

How the hell is it the same?

LangCleg on creating sacred castes:

How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit
children. That's how.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?page=3&reply=85080591

RoboBoogie · Yesterday 10:06

RoboBoogie · Yesterday 10:03

This is from December last year....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y2lklgpl9o

News organisations are required not to comment or speculate about cases such as this once someone has been arrested and charged. Probably not to influence any prospective jury members or the direction of the trial. That's why there won't have been any reporting until the sentencing this week.

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