Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

He’s British so the comments about being “allowed into the country” are irrelevant.

Good question

Of course it is. Hello Reform in 2028. Stand Up To Racisms and their thugs will have nobody to blame but themselves. I don’t even feel sorry for them.

I personally think women should be able to carry pepper spray. 90% of sikhs do not wear a kirpan because they are not baptised. This isn’t some mass arming event. Those who are baptised often carry a tiny knife, the kirpan is intimately tied to the spirtuality of sikhsim, it’s not just a tradition etc, so it would be different to people randomly arming themselves, it’s integrated into the religion and it’s a reminder to act justly which is why using a kirpan is a massive deal to sikhs, it’s not lightly drawn which is why there isn’t a history of stabbings in the UK.

But… white guys stab each other all the time. We even have white kids stabbing other kids in school. Should we get rid of all the white people?

This is like a field day for racists. A Sikh man killed someone, a British Sikh man, and here you are acting like it’s an immigration issue and apparently you want to what, cull all Sikhs? Deport them (even thought thousands of them are British)?

It would seem so. Digwa is clearly a PoS and the response to being filmed was the behaviour of a violent man, but it still isn’t the same as the SL murder.

DH has a fake top only, but DB and DF wear the full thing, as does almost everyone I know who wears one and is actually in Scotland.

Was Henry outside the house of this Sikh family? The video shows that poor lad is on a drive way.

Who are the members of the Digwa family who are apologising for this murder?

As long as he gets nowhere near the levers of power no one cares.

There should be one and the same.law for all of us -.no exceptions not even for religion -.and then.nobody will be murdered with a blade.

Not sure since they've all been charged now. Also they don't actually apologise for the murder, just for bringing the community into disrepute.

I just couldn't watch the whole thing, it was on the BBC News iPlayer channel

I just came here because I'm so devastated by the way he died. I feel really heartbroken and sad.

There's been a tendency to militancy that took hold with the pro khalistan movement more recently. I think someone on the other thread mentioned scuffles that have taken place with previous uses of ceremonial daggers in gurdwara.

It's much more entrenched in Canada.

The whole thing with the dispensation on the Kirpan (I know one guy who uses it as a brooch) stems from the original militarisation of the movement after persecution under Mogul emperors in the 17th century

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism/customs/fiveks.shtml

My dad is the only one I know with a fake one, and that was because he travelled all over the world for work and always took his kilt as the ex-pat communities he was in would always have ceilidhs. So he travelled with a fake one to avoid any issues abroad. But everyone I know here just uses a real one.

It is illegal in the country to carry a bladed article. IMO there should be no leeway made for anyone for any reason. It is ludicrous to have a law then allow some people to break it. Same for Halal meat. The laws in the country should apply to all people in all circumstances regardless of how “rare” it is that something goes wrong. In this case, the something that went wrong was horrendous and something that both families will have to live with forever. That young man has paid an enormous price for allowing some people to be above the law.

If not allowed on planes, shouldn't be allowed in schools. Not after this horrific murder. Children will be scared and worried. I guess not many people knew about it before but know it will be a topic in schools. Completely unacceptable.

That psychopath Digwa did a really number on everyone including the Sikh community. Evil. Probably pandered to and indulged by his mum and dad.

But women are not allowed, so that's not relevant here.

Also, if you're really saying that only 10% of Sikhs carry knives, then - if true - that makes this even worse: it means the number of potential murderers is only a tiny percentage of the Sikh population, so that in fact, far from there being millions and millions of armed but entirely peaceful Sikhs, it turns out that there are only a handful who are armed.

So it was probably just a matter of time before one of them went rogue.

As far as I know:

1. the length of the kirpan varies greatly and even a very small kirpan would satisfy the religious requirement, seeing as the religion does not actually prescribe the length.
2. a kirpan is religious / ceremonial on nature. Many kirpan therefore are not sharp / are very blunty

in other words: a very small, blunt kirpan would be enough I believe.

I thought that apology was quite disgraceful. They should shut up.

What? You think no one will be murdered with a blade if they make all carrying illegal?

Sorry but do you… do you think all the knife crime in the UK is only happening with legally carried blades? Do you not realise that pretty much all knife crime is with illegally carried blades… they don’t care what the law is, knife crime people are still carrying the knives.

How much of a reduction in knife will there be over the next 6 months if you make it illegal for Sikhs to carry knives from today?

Nope. Not dignifying this with a reply.

Grow up

There is no maximum length for a Kirpan.

There should be a public inquiry into this including the police officer who resigned to establish why someone who says they have been injured was not examined and a 999 call made for an ambulance

Digwa is a piece of shit who thought he could use an accusation of racism to minimise his actions/ get away with it. Same as several members of grooming gangs have done. Fortunately it didn’t work but my take is the police have been so accustomed to and fearful of accusations of racism since the Steven Lawrence debacle, they can become very reactive in any situation with a racial angle. But as someone upthread has said, if Sikhs as a group posed a threat the wearing of ceremonial swords/ daggers would have been banned or restricted. This isn’t about Sikhism, it’s about one unbalanced and callous individual with a weapons obsession.