Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

I'm inclining towards that view myself, though as others have pointed out, it's not been an issue before - but in fact many commentators and Sikhs have said, the murder weapon was NOT his kirpan. It was too large and too lethal.

I don't think we should make this into a massive issue for Sikhs. There's enough invective being thrown at the entire community right now.

I read this as more of a condemnation of the racism towards white Brits.

No.

But what has this got to do with immigration? Sikhs have been here for generations. They aren’t foreigners. Some will be. But they’re not a massive immigration issue.

What do you mean by people being allowed into this country, in reference to this case?

I never said they should, I also have said elsewhere the sikh community have to think about what is permissible and align themselves with the wider community in a way that still allows them to practice. That is not unreasonable.

Well yes no-one is 100% safe, but we have never had this conversation in the Uk before despite over a hundred years of Sikh presence in the UK because different groups do actually have different offending rates, if sikhs posed such a massive threat this would have become clear decades ago.

Shouldn't be in schools either.

Of course it was relevant to the murder. Did he choose a fellow Sikh? No he chose a white boy knowing the card he would play after.

Towards the end of the clip the female cop simply observes "his eyes aren't even responding..." At which point she's nonchalantly already on the phone to summon an ambulance.

Up till then they just thought he was playing up

Thankyou for your information. I do know that Sikhs are generally a peaceful religious group. I grew up around Sikhs and various other religious groups in South London. I was friends with people whose families came from all over the world. I have no issue with Sikhs at all, I only wish peace upon them.

I take issue with ANYBODY wearing a knife on their person in public.

The racism issue is relevant in the Henry Nowak killing because the POLICE believed the allegation. Just like in the SL case they assumed "Black lad, stabbing = black gangs fighting". It's the exact same logic of assigning the villain's role on the basis of someone's skin colour.

And if you look at Hampshire Police's website, they talk about how George Floyd's death was a 'pivotal moment for UK policing"!
https://www.hampshire.police.uk/police-forces/hampshire-constabulary/areas/au/about-us/race-action-plan-2024-2026/?_t_id=363-vpT352WwoWpnGUGHnQ%3d%3d&_t_uuid=gOtTHQqZQ6mH2yuzI45SZw&_t_q=racism&_t_tags=siteid%3a9a7e26e6-9ba2-42bf-80ec-103507e5aec9%2clanguage%3aen%2candquerymatch&_t_hit.id=Cds_Soh_Web_Models_Pages_Standard/_f4f6bbfa-1067-4b06-99e7-ba446c33d216_en-GB&_t_hit.pos=3
It's all very well talking about zero tolerance for racism as they do above - what does that mean in practice when a Sikh man says "we were racially attacked, and I have a swollen eye and my turban was knocked off" while a white guy is on the ground with "a mouth full of blood", as someone said on the recording, and saying he's been stabbed and can't breathe?

This family of scumbags. What on earth did they do as jobs that made them do all of this.

He ‘chose’ the person who filmed him.

Don’t go to a Scottish wedding then.

Did Zack Polanski comment on this police brutality?

Of course not. The victim is white.

And was that filming because he was walking around with a dagger in full view?

Your showing your ignorance and racism , he was born in Southampton, England 🙄

If you don’t go around stabbing people I think you’re absolutely fine. No, I don’t think all Sikh’s are foreigners. What I think is that one Sikh responsible for the death of an innocent teenager is one too many. How about you ?

He was on Snapchat to friends. The victim blaming here is horrific.

I've been told they rarely wear the actual sgian dubh in public now though, only replicas. For just that reason- because knives are not allowed in many places.
Is that wrong?

I don’t think this is true. I think the family
being Sikh had far more to do with the police non-belief.

Don’t care where he was born. It’s not about this one individual. It’s about the racism towards white people.

Completely agree with this. When I first heard about this my first thought was thst it was standard procedure to handcuff both in case of potential violence. But no - they turn up and handcuff the young man on the ground who is very pale, doesn't resist and says he's been stabbed. Not the one who is accused of stabbing him. At no point, even after henry died, was Vickrum treated in same way and put in handcuffs. I also am not sure they couldn't gave saved him if they'd called ambulance instead of police. The lack of any commentary from politicians until Elon made this case well known is also telling. It's become a bit of a joke but it does show two tier policing is alive and well and potentially killing people. That poor poor boy.

No of course it wouldn"t, KS has been forced out of the long grass into the light to make a statement at last and he is still trying to play it down and suppress the discussion, this is a tipping point to a Reform government IMO.