Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Actually it was that, or moreover the recording of it, that allowed the evidence that they'd conspired to cover up their role that meant they got charged.

I'm half expecting their defence to try and use that as grounds to appeal

what do you mean "resign yourself away from the responsibility" though?

The second highest sanction of any misconduct investigation is dismissal (the highest being dismissal and being put on the barred list), if she's already resigned then what further punishment do you expect?

Often police officers can be on extended leave (or very restricted duties) for years while misconduct proceedings are ongoing - it's unfortunately a very protracted process, and both stressful for the officers involved but also a huge drain on the public purse and the force as they're on full pay while under investigation, so tens, sometimes even hundreds of thousands of pounds down the drain while the team can't replace them. It's very common for those who know their number is likely to be up to milk it for as long as possible and only resign the day of the tribunal so it's actually much better for everyone if she decided to do so earlier rather than dragging it out.

She would still have had to provide evidence at the initial PIP, to the inquest and criminal investigations (and, if the IOPC decide there is a case to answer, to the misconduct proceedings), resigning doesn't mean you immediately cease all further involvement.

It helped the case! How was it negligent policing? They let them talk to each other and recorded it. Then it was translated.

His brother told him to claim self defence. He replied saying that “I won’t be able to claim self defence if there are cameras on that road.”

It helped them show that this was not an act of self defence. Police let suspects talk and record it, because it helps catch them.

Whst absolutely sneaky bastards.

Thin-skinned ractive people with no self control should not be allowed to carry knives though.

The biggest problem, as I said earlier, is the belief that any category of males is inherently safe. And a surprising number of people seem willing to operate according to that ridiculous hypothesis. And they don't even all agree as to which category of males is the safe one!

But don’t you think that allowing a knife obsessed nasty liar like Digwa to carry a knife in his person in public with no fear of arrest is a bad idea?

It comes across like that untouchable status went to his head.

We need equality. I’m sure most Sikhs are good people - the majority of most groups are (although I don’t think we should generalise too much) but it’s not healthy for society to have special rules for some in an issue of public safety.

Did Stephen Lawrence just so happen to encounter nutters thay were white? Was their whitneness irrelevant? Because I don’t think it was.

"The sad thing is. With the police force in the state it is in today I can see the exact same story playing out if a woman were punched in the head by a man in a dress"

Didn't take long for someone to try and derail the thread with whataboutery. A young man has been murdered and left to die by the police - so let's make it about women...

Henry Nowak was a remarkable man and I hope his death is remembered and the police remember the events surrounding his death and learn from them.
In my experience the Sikh Community are the kindness, most egalitarian people. It is common for baptised Sikhs who carry a kirpan to have a small one to be used as a key ring. A miniature sized one. They sell tiny ones in the shops attached to Gurdwaras. It is utterly out of character for a Sikh to behave in this way. Vikram Digwa is a bad man. I hope he serves a long long time in prison.

No, there isn’t. The nutter who happened to be a Sikh was allowed to carry a knife. Which as a white male teen and having no religious sensibilities allied to carrying a deadly weapon, Henry was not allowed to do. Otherwise he could have defended himself. Stop apologising for the people who are being allowed into our country, who have no care for human life.

The fact that the perpetrator was Sikh and had his Kirpan is completely immaterial to this case.

It’s not immaterial at all though. He knew he had impunity and the law allowed him to do something that Henry could not.

For a nasty young man like Digwa that is a dangerous power.

People being allowed into our country? What do you mean?

Digwa was born here. We have thousands of Sikhs born here. Do you think all Sikhs are foreigners?

I’m white British, but I wasn’t even born in the EU let alone in Britain. I wonder what you think of that.

Stephen Lawrence’s murderers were racists who murdered a black man because he was Black. Henry Nowak’s murderer was an angry man who got arsey because he was filmed.

That's not the point.

Digwa accused Henry of racism so Henry was hand cuffed and not helped while perishing, his dignity stripped from him in his last few moments. Digwa actually killed a man and gets gently driven to the station and kindly invited to walk to the police kitchen and choose his favourite sarnie.

EDI gone mad.

I am so please that his whole family are being dealt with robustly now.

No, his murderer was a nutter who made race relevant to the murder by playing the race card which he could not have done had his victim not been white. HE made it about race.

Wish I didnt watch it. Having a young adult in uni and living in Southampton. Just soul destroying and heartbreaking. The poor family

Agree.

This is turning very ‘this never happens’ isn’t it? Here we have definitive proof it does happen - so it morphs into ‘this hardly ever happens’. Then a few more examples are provided… so it’s ’you’re a bigot’.

You know exactly what I mean. I live in an area of high immigration and you have no idea what goes on in these places. Maybe grow up a bit, or maybe have some empathy with those of us who see what’s actually happening.

And wrt the trans debate, it's totally relevent. How long before we see violent criminals converting to Sikhism so that they can legally carry a knife?

Big demonstration happening now outside the Southampton police station. I wonder if it will be reported by the BBC or Sky News (who of course did not report the statement made by Mark Nowak)

Won't there have to be an inquest? If so, I think the coroner has the power to summon witnesses. I also think it might have to be held before a jury, as it's technically a death in police custody.

What about planes? Allowed on planes?

Agree, they were a couple of evil liars, the Mother is due in court though later this month on perverting the course of justice.

I watched the video too and it is absolutely devastating.
One thing that really stood out to me was how pale Henry’s hands were… even without seeing his face you can see he was clearly extremely unwell, weak and white/grey. It beggars belief that this did not ring alarm bells with emergency personnel, and that they did not consider internal bleeding in the apparent absence of external bleeding- especially when Henry himself was literally telling them he had been stabbed.

He possibly made race relevant to the police response, not to the murder itself.