Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

[EvangelicalAboutButteredToast]

I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Some of them are some of them aren't. They're actually a fairly small minority with a proportionately larger number that are British. But they're all allowed to carry lethal weapons regardless, whilst women are expected to defend themselves with umbrellas. It's all fine though don't worry, as long as we don't offend anyone 😉

It’s also easy to say what you mean, but for some reason you won’t. No problem.

It was

On every thread from an OP struggling to find money for food, posters recommend going to a Sikh temple because they feed everyone, and how good they are as a group and that they will help you and won’t turn you away.

But now… they’re not British, they’re all foreigners and their religion doesn’t belong in the UK so they all need to leave because this is Britain, with British values and they’re all foreigners.

Disgusting racists doing exactly what Henry’s family asked people not to do.

Don’t offend men*

Because I said it earlier, scroll back.

So food bank workers should be allowed to carry knives?

No. I'm sorry. You using those individual police officers as scape goats is disgusting. They were following police systemic racist policy. This is a much wider problem. If you don't understand that I can't help you.

I know what the poor father of HN said, and I wish it was that easy. But sadly this is an issue bigger than this one horrific racist murder.

Is Digwa the biggest gift Reform has had - probably. And that is not good, nobody sane wants Reform in power. However the more people pretend that 2 tier policing isn't a thing, the more likely they are to win power. If Starmer and Labour continue to kowtow to anyone but white tax payers - the worse it will be. But Labour do not seem to be listening.

I don’t completely disagree, theres a case for harmonising with legally recognisable limits such as 3 inch swiss army blades which are legal to carry? Perhaps something like that?

The tone of some of this is panic around sikhs which is a bit bewildering for a group thats not particularly criminal and generally all round good citizens.

Do you believe everything criminals claim?

Then why did use that phrasing?

Sikh women also carry kirpan. Personally I see no problem with that religious exemption, but that any Sikh using it as a weapon should be sentenced the same as anyone else who had taken the knife to the scene (ie starting point of 25 years for an adult). Digwa was not sentenced on that basis, and I would expect that this will be reviewed under ULS.

Or wooden/ plastic/ jade pendants.

It wasn’t he had a kirpan, it was still on his person, he used a different kind of blade. It’s in the court summary.

I’m not panicking about Sikhs at all, I think they’re probably less likely to be criminals than whites.

I just believe in the Rule of Law and not creating tiers of society and special exemptions for people that are part of religious or cultural groups. Because that’s a basic tenement of the Rule of Law.

No it isn’t. It’s to protect the weak from tyranny as it happens. Symbolically. And never to be used as an offensive weapon. Which to my knowledge it never has been in this country.

Well then if we are concerned about everyone following the same law just band swiss army knives too..

The only thing that makes a Kirpan a “religious symbol that has to be carried around” rather than an illegal offensive weapon is a “claim”.

What would Labour ‘listening’ consist of or look like to you?

As I said then we should look at current legislation around blades and think about what a solution looks like.

3 inch limit, allows sikhs to carry a kirpan as part if their religious observance whilst also aligning with current laws in a reasonable way.

Are you a bully?

I know a lot of Sikh people. In fact ds’s best friend is a Sikh and we socialise with his family. The family of the killer were bad people. They are not representative of Sikhs.

However, this case has shone a light on a) the right to carry a knife and b) the notion that by crying “racist” you can divert law enforcement or in fact trump the truth and indeed c) that the authorities (any authorities) have been indoctrinated or cowed into making racism not simply a priority but the priority, along with “community relations”.

“Protect the weak” but it’s not self defence.

“symbolically” but it HAS to be a full size knife and not something symbolic like a piece of jewellery with tiny knife pendant.

Sure.

Protect the weak is literally the opposite of self defence. So yes. Sure.

As Kemi Badenoch said

'I don’t want to hear about Black Lives Matter.
I don’t want to hear about White Lives Matter.
Everyone matters. Henry Nowak matters'

We just need Starmer to say the same, and act upon it to show he means it. Given he is PM and has you now, power. Chances?

@Allisnotlost1

No doubt he’s a rotten apple. And, his brother, I think. I wonder if the brother is still able to carry his knives, certainly as he seems to have been lying, and instrumental/ complicit in obstructing justice in a fatal stabbing.

I think earlier on in the thread someone pasted about the murder weapon. It is a special extra religious knife for a special grouping/ ‘warriors’ within the religion. Maybe ‘Teutonic knights’ equivalent or something. It was under the 9 inch limit allowed as well. I can’t remember if it was also given the special religious exemption.

I suppose the fact there is a religious exemption throws up all sorts of questions. Like, will VG be able to carry his knives around in prison?