Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

They are allowed to carry a small ceremonial knife in a sheath as part of their religion. It should be held close to their body by a piece of cloth and not be visible by anyone.
The minute they unsheath it, it becomes an offensive weapon.

Having said that the poor young man was not stabbed by such a knife he was stabbed by something that looked like a stilletto. The murderer had two different knives on him, apparently.

The BBC:

It really is splitting hairs to say some 8 inch knives are ok because of religion but other 8 inch knives are illegal.

No one should be carrying knives around in public

It's also only meant to be used honourably and in self defence. Using it incorrectly eradicates any religious purpose for having it. We learned that in school in the 90s.

@TwoPercentForLookingInTheMirrorTwice
They are both awful crimes - you can sympathise with both you know? Especially since in both cases police error is linked. And, there have been many riots and protests by the far right. Look at 2024. I live in a city where a black man was literally pulled out of his car. This shouldn't make people more divided, we should be coming together.

I'm mixed race and the video has really disturbed me. I couldn't sleep for ages last night because it's that sad. I have a 14 year old and I wouldn't want to imagine the horror that poor boy's family is going through. I didn't realise Sikhs could carry knives. There definitely needs to be an end to two-tier policing. I felt the same last week with the traveller boys getting off the rape charge. I didn't see a protest then though funnily enough.
I hope the far right don't use this. Everybody should be appalled.

I too don't understand how the police couldn't see that he'd been stabbed. The police are going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives now.

The police's own guidance says not to cuff behind the back, or put on their front, people with breathing difficulties.

The reason there wasnt a protest for that 9s because so many men know theyve done exactly the same thing at their age. A lot of men won't really see how it is rape

What a pile of shite!

How decides the "honourable" way of using any knife.

No knives and if that offends your religion then don't let the door bang your arse on the way out.

If I carried a knife, I would only use it “honourably and in self defence”.

Doesn’t mean I should be allowed to.

If it is used in self defence. This clearly wasnt self defence. Way out of where?

Assuming you mean in relation to Kaba, I didn’t recall but looked it up. He later apologised - demonstrating exactly why it’s unwise to comment before proceedings complete. Police officer being charged is unusual enough to warrant lots of coverage and the shooting, IOPC and then criminal investigation went on for a long time. Sadly young man stabbed by another young man isn’t that out of the ordinary and I’m not sure how much more coverage anyone could expect in six months from incident to sentence. And finally, nothing was preventing vigils or protests for Henry Nowak.

They didn’t get off the rape charge. They were doing guilty. The issue was the ridiculous sentence. And there was huge public outcry, politicians condemned the light sentence. The attorney general condemned it and referred it to the court of appeal as a lenient sentence.

The public outcry worked. Thousands reported the lenient sentence, thousands have reported the judge himself. Public protest isn’t just marching in the street. And it worked in that case. We now wait for it to go through the court of appeal to see if they get a custodial sentence. If they don’t then there will be more protests.

It isnt a religious blade if you use it dishonourably. It's just a blade.

On the case you were posting about earlier.

It’s always just a blade.

Yes but sometimes it is a religious blade.

Religion should never be above the law.

Where was the dignity in treatment?

"Kirked" as in Charlie Kirk. Assassinated because he apparently held the wrong views.

I'm not reporting my colleague. He's a dummy, but what he said isn't against against any policy. I mention it only because I think it represents the callous attitude some people have when they think someone is a racist. Regardless of whether it is true or not.

ETA -- "Stand up to Racism" apparently protested at a vigil for Henry. They protested against an innocent murdered boy. Why? Because he was killed by a minority. This is the type of attitude I'm referring to.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bristol-vigil-for-henry-nowak-met-with-counter-protest/

If you stand by and allow that behaviour, then you’re as bad as them.

Quite - and the PP saying they learnt it at school… the Sikh pupils are also allowed to bring in knives TO SCHOOL!

You really don't understand crime reporting, do you? Media cannot report details of a case when there is inevitably going to be a court case because it is prejudicial to said case and might allow the criminal to go free Is that what you want? I bloody hope not! The morons frothing on Youtube might be wise to remember that too. I am reminded of the time that the Robinson/Yaxley-Lennon creature nearly buggered up the trial of one of the grooming gangs by opening his cakehole and flapping his gums when he should have kept quiet.

But Henry wasnt stabbed due to his views. We dont know his views. It is more likely.they had some sort of other altercation based on some sort of accidental interaction or that the man just attacked him for nothing.

Henry wasnt a political figure. He was a first year uni student

You and your colleague are weird.

But I believe in freedom of speech. He's allowed to have, what I believe, is a horrid opinion. It certainly changes my view of my colleague, but I don't want to see trouble come his way because of an opinion.

Yeah ive always known they have it. I grew up in the midst of youth violence. Believe me, it wasnt the Sikh guys even though they had knives on them.

Calling for the deaths of groups of people is not covered under “free speech”