Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Yes! We don't ration NHS care by good or bad.

The reason why this type of thing happens to Black people is because people assume that Black people are bad so care less about things like getting them timely medical attention. It isn't because they are Black. It is because they think being Black means being bad.

In this case, these police officers thought that they get to be the deciders of about whether the victim is bad and how he should be treated as a result of their decision. That's totally outside their remit.

He did, and lied. But a neighbour also called and said someone had been stabbed. So the police had that information and chose to ignore it. Or it was never passed on… so the call handlers chose to ignore it. Hopefully that comes out in the independent report.

I'm not female, but I imagine young Scottish girls being threatened to the point they had to defend themselves with a knife and then demonized as racists in the press is a good example?

Maybe white British girls being systematically sexually abused by minority men? And then being ignored by the government and the press? One even being talked to by the police about sharing their stories.

I suppose there may be others, but these are two that come to mind. And what's the common denominator? The white girls are the real criminals. Not the minority men who abused them.

Henry was a white boy. Murdered by an minority man. And yet again, the white British victim is treated as the abuser and criminal. In this case he is coldly left to bleed out and die as he is read his rights as an accused criminal.

At this point, claiming there is nothing wrong seems like either 1) willful ignorance or 2) incredible privileged to avoid areas and situations where this stuff happens.

In the US we ended up with Trump, in part because of similar attitudes. And it has gotten ugly. When privileged liberals tell working class people to ignore what is plainly before their eyes, and then accuse them of racism for noticing, you end up with Farage and Trump.

The police have tried hard to lose their institutional racism label but it’s resulted in harm in another way. They just need to treats everyone equally and keep an open mind.

Well no you don’t know that. Presumably it was dealt with by a different call handler and a separate dispatch would have been made. I doubt that if the police had been told there was report of a stabbing would just dismiss it. The call handler asked the brother three times if there were any weapons and he said no. He also asked if Henry had been injured and the brother said there was an injury to the face but nothing about the stabbing.

Khan commented. But what is evident is the public react after the event.

@Glowingup didn’t the judge say that the father had been lied to and didn’t realise that his son had fatally stabbed Henry?

His father didn't know. From the judge's remarks " You joined your brother in relating these lies to the police. By then your mother and father were at the scene. Gurpreet explained that no weapons had been involved or were present. In fact, whilst he was talking to the call operator, you told your mother to take the murder weapon, sheath and belt away which she did. You did not tell your father what had really happened."

Oh sorry I didn’t realise that. I assumed the parents knew. I wonder if the brother knew as well as it strikes me as odd as he was so adamant that the police should attend immediately. Surely it would have been very quickly obvious that the victim had been stabbed? It could be that none of the family realised as they didn’t witness the attack.

within 3 minutes of police checking he got medical help. his murderer obviously delayed calling the police which led to him not getting help in time. The way people are already making this about race ,hate and 2 tier policing is disgusting. Many wouldn't care about Henry or grooming gangs if the perps were white. Where is the humanity.

This is what Labour politicians are contributing

What’s very galling is that the likes of Reform, Restore, and the far-right decided to politicise people’s pain, attacking the Sikh community for wearing the kirpan and wanting it banned, even though the kirpan was not used in this violent attack.

Identity politics AGAIN. No community should be allowed to wear deadly weapons it is insanity. I am embarrassed for that MP for Sloug Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, who I presume is from the very same community. What a shit show. Labour leading us directly into the arms of Reform.

Yes it struck me that the call to the police was very lengthy and it was only right at the end that the police arrived. Really awful that he was lying on the ground all this time.

Where is the humanity
Oh the irony.

@Glowingup the mum knew and is on trial herself for aiding a murderer.

They didn't realize because they didn't care. He was a white boy. And white boys are always racist and deserve what's coming to them.

A colleague of mine was talking about this case yesterday. He actually said that Henry was "Kirked" and that the world was better off without one more racist.

All the talk of police training etc... is obfuscation of the real and obvious issue.

Then it’s a disgrace that she didn’t say anything when her son was lying to the operator saying “weapons? I don’t even know what sort of weapons there would be”. On the call, the brother says the mother and father are at the scene. But I do find it odd that the mother knew but the father did not.

What's kirked.

The real test here is what happens if you report this colleague to HR? Nothing for precisely the reasons people are pointing out on this thread. It would be seen as politically incorrect or culturally sensitive.

As a black woman married to a white man I’ve seen first hand exactly how the police behave when someone uses the “ race card “ and I hate that word against a white person in particular a white male

police are so fucking scared of being called racist they can’t do they can’t do their job but more likely they don’t want to do there job

both those officers should be in court on some kind of charges
and they should be sacked and no pension

I believe from what I read the female officer already resigned a few months ago

Honestly I watched that video and my heart broke a bit

I really hope out of this awful awful murder we won’t have the usual “lesson have been learned” bullshit but more that the fucking rule book on racism gets thrown out the bloody window

Stephen Pollard wrote something very similar in the Telegraph yesterday. He is a Tory supporter.

The judge’s statement made it clear that the stab wound to the chest was fatal. Immediate paramedic help would not have saved his life. This is why the family don’t waste emotional energy blaming the police and hold the killer 100% responsible.

They are comparing this white guy getit g killed by an Indian Sikh man to Charlie Kirk who afaik, was killed by another white man... odd folk.here.

The perpetrator made it about race.

Khan commented on what? The public can react whenever they want, they don’t have any specific duty or responsibility.

Eh? The trial indicated it was a racially motivated attack. 3 minutes is also a long time if you are bleeding out.

Why is that relevant? The man would have had a chance and died with dignity.

About jeez, 20 odd years ago now (can't believe it is that long), my 18 year old.cousin was stabbed in the heart. He died. A helicopter came and they performed open heart surgery in the street.and revived him. He had a baby on the way at the time.

He lived. He was left severely brain damaged but has quality of life and some independence. His communication has actualy improved over the last few years.

I hope you reported your colleague.
Most employers would not tolerate that being said in the workplace.