Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

My recollection is that the Home Sec of the day - Suella Braverman - was rather scathing about the charges brought against the officer in that case. I’m sure that’s not what people are expecting of Shabana Mahmood now is it?

Life, minimum of 21 years. So he can apply for parole after 21 years but might never get it.
The attorney general is currently reviewing the sentence to decide if it should be sent to the court of appeal as too lenient.

Sadiq Khan commented pre trial. Plus protests and vigils happened pre trial plus the associated high level of media coverage.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15867095/Henry-Nowaks-killer-police-radar-stealing-weapons.html

I am gutted, absolutely gutted to have watched this video.

What an evil family and that deranged murderer, let's hope he has FUN in prison. Lots of FUN.

I am 💔for Henry Nowak's family.

Is there a fundraising going of his family? I've been around the block but this is unbelievable. Why on earth did they hand cuff him?

I don't get shaken by much these days but this is brutal. An innocent young and lovely man being so mistreated as he lies dying 😢😢😢

What Vickrum Digwa's did and his behaviour is monstrous.

The BBC reported the murder and the arrest and charge of the suspect at the time, and have reported extensively on the trial. What more did you want them to do?

@Allisnotlost1I’m not saying politicians should have reached conclusions before the IOPC investigation. I’m saying politicians regularly comment on broader issues before investigations are complete and could have expressed concern, called for answers, or discussed the implications without prejudging the outcome. Particularly in the current climate and as the details were coming out, which are HORRIFIC. They should have known that there would be outrage.

They were called by the murderer’s brother who told the operator a pack of lies. The operator asked several times if there were any weapons. He was told no. He was the one who asked the police to attend. It was pitch black and Henry was wearing dark clothing which meant the blood wasn’t visible. The brother also told the operator that they had someone on the floor trying to restrain him. All of this would have been relayed to the police. It took them around a minute to discover what had happened to Henry and they then gave CPR.

Yes this as these cops were not listening to their gut but following the EDI script.

Policies need to change. EDI training and policies are not fit for purpose.

I am not a Reform voter and I am not right wing. And I have a mixed ethnicity so please don't come back claiming I am some right winger.

Identity politics contorted to this. It divides us.

Well I mean they could have looked to see if he actually HAD been stabbed.

That's something basic they could have done.

But they didn't. And now a young man is dead.

I thought someone living in one of the houses around where Henry was had also called 999 because they heard Henry saying he had been stabbed? I cannot remember which news article I read saying that though. It was sometime yesterday.

Good start.

The Kirpan wasn’t the weapon I don’t think ? They initially assumed it was but his mother had hidden the actual weapon I thought ?

You’re correct

Literally was in ITV days after it happened https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2025-12-08/man-charged-with-murder-of-university-student

And reporting from the week of the trial https://news.sky.com/story/student-stabbed-to-death-with-extremely-large-knife-after-night-out-with-football-team-in-southampton-court-told-13543982

Realistically what else would you expect?

The neighbours were likely aware of the family and that they are clearly like

Sorry i havent read the entire thread but i did see the clip of the police handcuffing the poor lad.

I am trying to look at this from the attending officers POV. What information did they have on the way to the incident. What information did they get on the scene and what information came to them as they dealt with things.

So on the way they only had the report of a racially aggravated incident from the attackers brother. This of course turns out to be a pack of lies. A pack of lies that the police HAVE to act upon otherwise what is the point of calling the police? I accept prejudice exists but on the way to the incident it just doesnt make sense for anyone to think that they were doing their job to the best of their ability.

So they arrive. Henry is on the floor and he is surrounded by people of a different colour. Some, the family of the attacker. 1 is the person who called the police. At this present time most people responding to a call out of racial attack would not think it would be a reverse situation. Who would normally think to call the police when they are part of the guilty party?

They have the details they are given, they have Henry on the floor and they have a 'mob'. What would be most peoples first actions? Me personally, especially if there were mention of a knife is to get the accused (At the time) arrested and in handcuffs. Last time i looked handcuffs didnt cause anyone to die, however i accept they didnt help. Thats what they are doing when Henry claims (Correctly) to have been stabbed and struggling to breathe. Ive watched the video a couple of times and i cant see blood in context of a stabbing. I believe he was stabbed in the chest (In his heart which actually killed him), and his legs. The female police officer is searching for the stab wounds and doesnt confirm he has been stabbed. The male officer is of course incorrect when he says it doesnt look like you have been stabbed to Henry but if his colleague is searching and doesnt confirm then all he is guilty of is being flippant. I believe the female officer resigned and i think she is the one who was guilty of the most negligence. The male was in charge of restraining and arresting him, the female literally moved a bit of his jacket and left it at that. Has anyone clarified if they would have been able to save this young mans life if they had known straight away of his chest stabbing? They called for medical assistance but was this really not going to make any difference?

My last take from this is that those police officers are sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers. At all times they should be looking out for their own safety. When they walk into a situation with a set of facts they must act upon them whilst keeping an open mind and maintaining their own safety. What else could the male officer making the flippant comment have done? The female officer, as i have said earlier should have made a much more thorough search but again, would that have made much difference without all the facts that were being withheld by the scumbags who stabbed him.

The strength the father has shown in these circumstances are astonishing. Its hard enough as it is to be a police officer but incidents like this just create even more issues.

The BBC reported both the arrest and the trial. What is it you think they didn't report?

@doglover90 my point is that he didn’t die whilst cuffed - the police had already uncuffed him and were performing CPR. From the judges comments it appears that the only person to treat him with compassion and dignity was the father of the killer who came to his aid.

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This is different to what i had read. I though the attackers brother had called the police.

They might also have called but the first call came from the brother and was over ten minutes long and the operator took extensive information from him and would have relayed this to the officers. This was absolutely NOT a case where the officers arrived, had no clue what had happened and made an assessment based on race. They had been told a) no weapons involved b) racial physical attack c) suspect is drunk d) suspect is being restrained because he tried to escape.

It was

He did. The whole phone call has been released. It’s a really long one.

Although tbf allowed his son to tell a load of lies on the phone and didn’t immediately tell the police that Henry had in fact been stabbed.

I generally think it’s very important that politicians don’t comment on matters like this until proceedings are complete, because of the risk of shaping a narrative or undermining the independence of the judicial or other processes.

I’m prepared to believe it happens (though I can’t recall in the specific cases you named) because we’ve had some self serving politicians over the last few years. Braverman, for example, would have lapped up the opportunity to comment outside of process. But I don’t think that should set the precedent. We should want politics to follow process, not the other way around. It seems to me that the belief that process has followed politics is exactly what people are worried about in this case.