Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Yes, and the next election will register this.

They were called by neighbours who reported someone had been stabbed.

It’s an exact parallel. Part of the same problem with police who are not neutral on social issues. The fact you are unable to see that is a worry in itself.

It’s not a woeful excuse. It is becoming a systemic problem. A group of Muslims were reported for carrying weapons the other day, and the police refused to arrest or act whilst the group were accusing them of being racist for questioning them. It’s being brought up in the commons literally right now. That we have a huge issue with police failing to do their duty regardless of colour because they don’t want to be called racist. They have over corrected from the last few decades of happily being racist. Now they’re ignoring crimes, ignoring situations, ignoring please for help, ignoring abuse all to avoid looking racist.

It isn’t an excuse. It is a bloody big problem.

He’s already been sentenced.

Spot on. But it’s clearly hit a nerve when the penny drops.

Nothing on how awful it would have been for the 18 year old student?

Exactly, the term lost any real meaning some time ago as it has been over-used by fanatics to describe "people who don"t agree with me".

I’m listening the the debate but I missed the reference you mention - can you tell me more info and I’ll read up on it.

One case doesn’t make a systemic problem.
I can assure you that the police are toothless and useless when dealing with the gangs of white youths shoplifting and causing affray where I live. It’s a terrible state of affairs but I don’t accept that this is racially driven at all.

@Allisnotlost1 not true. After many things (Sarah Everard, Southport stabbings, George Floyd etc etc) political discussions happened right away! they couldn’t comment on the case but COULD comment on the broader issues, and chose not to!

Just remembered a story in the paper a little while ago about an 18 year old called Billy Stokoe in Sunderland. He was riding an off road electric motorbike which was not road worthy. He was high on weed, and on his phone, when he knocked down and killed Gloria Stephenson (I think 86) who was on a zebra crossing. He fled the scene and changed his clothes etc. When he told his mother, she brought him to the police station. If the story is as reported, it is quite admirable that the mother had the decency to do what was right.

Now he only received nigh on 7 years in Youth Detention.

Touche’. Actually I think the penny is starting to drop for that generation that having these ideological views is not healthy ESPECIALLY when you are in a public position.

I agree with this. It is shocking how long it has taken the BBC and the mainstream media to report this,

What was the term?

It was widely publicised as a killing of a student when it happened. The police actions were not reported on until after the trial as per reporting restrictions. The sentencing of the perpetrator was on every news outlet.

@Jane143 this may have something to do with the nature of the fatal stab wound to the chest such that bleeding was internal. The court report goes into detail. Also it is worth noting that Henry could not have survived his injuries regardless of whether or not he recieved immediate medical help and was only cuffed for around a minute before police recognised he was in severe distress. His family do not hold anyone other than the killer responsible.

You’re right. And Chris Kaba too. Politicians commented pre trial and the media spent more time on it.

lol. No debate is now over. Or did you not get the memo. What has happened is horrific. I am just calling out a potential parallel. Women have too long been socially persecuted for sticking up for women’s rights. It’s good we are all now talking about this. Stop putting us in a corner or relegating us to another forum. I have every right to point out a parallel as you have to tell women to ‘Go. Away’. Sadly for you - we won’t.

I’m a bit unsure what you’re asking for. You started saying there wasn’t enough mainstream reporting of this case. Now you want to see political commentary on a case before it’s concluded. This case has generated interest because of the police action, but without a conclusion from the IOPC the HS can’t comment on that.

George Floyd’s murder wasn’t in the UK so the same rules don’t apply. I don’t recall any specific statements made by politicians before the conviction and sentencing of the murderer of Sarah Everard, can you? Southport resulted in riots within days so there were of course political commentaries on that, but my recollection is that it was on the riots not the (at the stage unconvicted) murderer.

This is the family's enormously dignified statement, reported on -checks notes- the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62ek7lk553o

Possibly. It seems he's a vicious lying thig.

The law generally is that it is illegal to:

• carry most knives or any weapons in public without a ‘good reason’
• sell most knives or any weapons to anyone under the age of 18

Examples of good reason might be needing a knife for one's work, religion or as part of national costume. If the perp here had kept the knife in its sheath and Police had prosecuted for carrying he might have had a defence of good reason.

As soon as it was out of the sheath and used as a weapon that defence evaporated.

It's not clear to me that there's much about this case that justifies monkeying around with 'good reason' provisions.

It didn’t just happen today. The crime was in December.

The telegraph are reporting that their source is claiming that the IOPC currently don’t believe there was any misconduct by the police officers on the scene. They’ve been investigating the case and body cam footage etc since the day after Henry died, have a lot more to go through now the criminal case is over but the officers are being treated as witnesses in the investigation rather than being investigated for misconduct. Currently.

'Only cuffed for about a minute' yes, his dying minute! He was clearly not a threat and should not have been restrained. He was denied compassion and dignity in his final moments, and accused of being a liar.

This thread is the first time I learned about it and I'm terrified.
I can't see how on earth, religion or not, bladed item can ever be allowed in school.
Your point about flights is very interesting as well.