Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

There are so many disturbing aspects to this case but the thing I find most upsetting is that this poor boy died without any help or comfort from any of the adults at the scene.

Even if nothing could have been done to save Henry's life, the people who were with him made absolutely no effort to render assistance & showed indifference to his plight.

As he lay dying the family of his attacker continued to slander him with accusations of racism while the actual perpetrator recorded Henry's death on his phone.

The police officers' actions were both negligent and shameful. They may not have been able to see the extent of the boy's wounds but he was clearly injured & distressed. Surely anyone with a flicker of humanity would wish to help a young lad in such a state & offer some words of kindness. Instead he was handcuffed & dragged around like a rag doll.

It's unbearably sad that Henry died surrounded by such uncaring people. Wicked & callous behaviour from everybody involved.

But you're not.

Ik. Some posts are callous too. It’s all heartbreaking.

And your points remain disrespectful

Yes exactly. The officers were probably told the radio that they were attended a racially aggravated assault too. They went in there thinking a particular set of events had happened. They realised within a few minutes that Henry had been critically injured. There are lots of instances where perpetrators lie and say they are the ones who were attacked.

It’s pretty common that cases get little coverage until after or close to the verdict. Court reporters are thin on the ground these days so may not cover it until it becomes newsworthy or reportable. It only happened in December, it’s come to trial very quickly compared to average murders, so likely the early stages were not reported on (as they rarely are). It may also have been that things like the BWV footage couldn’t be shown until after the verdict so not much to report. I believe there are other charges being considered for family members which may have also meant it wasn’t reportable.

Don’t excuse what happened to an 18 year old. It’s horrific.

"licking of the floor?"

I don’t think you have mate

without even checking. Just handcuffed him. That poor poor boy. No shred of humanity or decency.

@GlowingupI would accept that the trial is why the evidence became public but I don’t accept that this automatically explains the level and timing of media interest. Those are two different questions. The trial explains how we learned the details but doesn’t explain why social media users seemed to be discussing those details before many mainstream outlets gave them significant attention, there were already calls for justice way before, the PM only just released a statement and people have been calling for the body cam footage for some time. I can’t understand why you are so certain that is why. There is no possibility in your mind that the media weren’t interested in the narrative, like they may have been were the tables turned?

No, he wasn't.

He was in the midst of a paranoid delusion and kidney failure. He had never done any harm to anyone, ever.

There is significant evidence that he was racially profiled.

I am not coming back on this one because it is hurtful and disrespectful to his memory.

He was a beloved man.

I wonder if airlines allow people who claim a religious reason to carry knives onto a flight? Would it be classed as religious discrimination in the UK to refuse, or can they do refuse them for security reasons?

I’m sure many parents didn’t know that youngsters (and everyone else really such as teachers, parents etc) can bring knives into school, if claiming a religious reason.

Poor Henry, RIP.

It’s an idiom that means to exhibit desperation

He was all those things but he was also attempting to kill his family.

I suppose that’s why we see so many cases where police side with black and brown people, and so few cases where they are racist to those people, right?

No.

If a man or woman is so lacking in the ability to keep an open mind, look for evidence, or fearful of being ‘thought to be’ anything other than carrying out their duty fairly, they should not be in the police.

It’s disappointing how many people want to generate woeful excuses for crappy public servants. We should expect better.

They will lose their jobs, this is far too politically charged.

Are you puzzled?

It's a saying. To lick something off the the floor means that something comes about without any back story, it just appears. It has been licked off the floor.

I'm happy to explain it to you-as I just indeed have-but surprised that you were unable to work it out for yourself.

In this particular example, I was using it to illustrate that the situation we are in now-racism considered worse than murder-was not licked off the floor. It came about through Black Lives Matter, which in turn was supercharged by the death of violent criminal, George Floyd.

It is a saying well known in parts of Africa and I might be tempted to say that your superior eyebrow rise -or attempt to be superior-is racist.

They had been called there for a racially aggravated attack.

Now i think they were totally incompetent but i don't think they acted deliberately, knowing he had been stabbed, the bleeding was internal, so it was not obvious.

They were clearly slow to react and didn't evaluate the evidence before them properly but racism?

I'll see what the investigation says before jumping to that conclusion.

Surely you can appreciate that the Home Secretary can’t comment until after the court process concludes? (Which was yesterday).

It’s is an exact parallel and the fact you are unable to see that shows that you have also fallen for it. It shows what happens that the police force has preconceptions one way or another. The police force needs to maintain neutrality on social issues. Otherwise tragedies like this happen.

Religious mumbo jumbo, two tier policing, constant accusations of racism against white people - haven't we all just fucking had enough?

"while the actual perpetrator recorded Henry's death on his phone."

He needs a very heavy sentence, hopefully 30 years.

There was a car abandoned screching tires drew our attention outside nearest junction lads fled on foot but bizzarely police grabed a passing workman - threw him to ground causing injury it was obvious fairly quickly they got wrong man and he was hurt but they kept him in handcuff nearly an hour - and it was only the foreman turning up and pointing out cameras that they started showing some concern for the injuries.

There was a thread on here about where poster son doing bar work who was assulted and police arrested him on say so of male attacker who got in first with their side - and handcuffed him and threaten victim despite witnesses saying that's wrong. Pots after post of well the your son must be guilty of something.

So sadly I'm not surprised - but with a DS at uni at that lad exact age I do think it's really below expected standards. I think they should have done basic checks on someone saying they were injured what ever they were accused of.

The Police have been doing the same with black and brown people for decades and still continue to do so. Maybe the problem here is the Police...

George Floyd was a bad man. It astounds me that there is a George Floyd Street in Minneapolis (and there was one in Glasgow). Of course he shouldn’t have been restrained in such a manner, but he is no hero. How about an Ian Huntley Road? He was killed whilst supposedly safe in prison. Thought not.

The BLM tsunami seemed to put race relations ten steps backward imo.