Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

It is, and it’s their duty to investigate and collect evidence. The fact that they believed one party and did not keep an open mind - even telling Henry Nowak ‘I don’t think you have’ when he says he’s been stabbed and he has an injury to his face - shows that they utterly failed in that duty.

People making this about the race of the perpetrator are grifters, trying to absolve these shitty police of their responsibility by making out they were unable to think clearly due to fear of racism.

Well, it doesn't do him any favours but maybe if we stop to think about what he actually was, it might do society some favours and stop assorted gobshites taking the knee and all that that entails.

He powered the Black Lives Matter movement and left us in a situation where a white man is left to die on the ground because his murderer was brown and called him a racist.

We didn't get here by one enormous licking of the floor-it was super charged and one of the events that super charged it was the death of George Floyd. So, given that, it is worth considering what sort of man he was.

I don't know if he was scum because that is a subjective term.

However, he was a drug addict.

He was a violent criminal.

He was an armed robber

He had held a knife to a pregnant woman's stomach.

We shouldn't be afeared to say this. We should say it every single time that his name is mentioned in hushed respectful tones.

That is what the police have done though. They believed the brown person and his family who were crowding round over a teenager who was dying.

The perpetrator used his trump card of racism to deflect what really happened.

George Floyd is not responsible for a Henry’s death, this thread has taken a bizarre turn.

The kind of thinking that he was a druggie or violent criminal and therefore who cares if he does is the same mentality involved in Henry’s death - ‘He’s a racist so we don’t care if he’s been stabbed and his killer needs to be kept comfy in the station’ and ‘we’re only half-heartedly searching for stab wounds because we have to Digwa, we’d rather not, honestly.

but because the murderer is not white it’s suddenly all about race and religion.

This is the point I was replying to.

Chefs can’t go to work then? No picnics or packed lunches anymore, tradesmen have to use inflatable tools? Don’t be so ridiculous.

Need to look it up. I will.

My eldest son's friend was killed by a knife. One of the boys involved in killing him, though not the killer, was also a friend of my son. Can you imagine that? It almost broke him.

The boy (he was 19 when he was murdered) was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It made people protest. I was on the front page of the Daily Record at a March. So embarrassing.

But it ended up in a knife amnesty in Scotland and stricter laws.

But how do people get over that? Their son? Murdered?

I don't care if they are are "good" sons or "bad" sons. They are people's weans. Both the victims and the perpretators.

In this case, the mum of the perpretator handed him in. I don't know how she had the strength to do it tbh.

I know that the police who were involved in the initial crime were traumatised.

I just don't think we can blame all police and we really need to see that a few bad apples don't represent every single police officer.

People are saying that it’s a false and a disrespectful comparison.
Not that he deserved to die.

Stephen Lawrence would be a better example.

He was killed in a racially motivated attack and the police didn’t give him the medical treatment he needed because of his skin colour and the assumption that he must have been the aggressor.

Can you really not think of another (hundred or so) cases where the perpetrator has lied at the scene, been believed and only discovered later?* Digwa told a lie that he thought would be believed. Just like countless other perpetrators. People have chosen to single this case out because many have an agenda or a belief that authorities are anti-white.

*Here’s a couple - Ian Huntley, Fred West and, as someone mentioned earlier, Stephen Port. I don’t remember anyone blaming the perpetrators’ ethnicities or religion for the police believing them in those cases.

The fault here lies with the police who failed to do basic investigation at the scene.

The perpetrator made it about the race of the perpetrator.

He used his religion and colour to cover up what he had done.

Well that’s bullshit. An off duty police officer stopped to help Stephen while waiting for an ambulance but he was dead by the time he got to hospital. The gang that stabbed him had disappeared immediately so why the fuck would anyone think he was a perpetrator when he was bleeding out on the ground?

This was a horrible crime, with the victims last moments being unbearable. The police could have handled things better, too. The perpetrator was banned from the Sikh temple because of the way he was acting.

This awful crime is not an excuse for a disgraceful racist rant, though.

He said he had been racially abused and he wasn’t going to stand for it. The police in their eagerness not to be accused of not listening to him let a young lad die in front of them

What racist rant? The one the killer did?

Responding officers failed to administer first aid.

“Stephen Lawrence was alive for approximately 10 to 15 minutes after police officers arrived at the scene of his murder on April 22, 1993. Despite his friend Duwayne Brooks pleading for help, the initial officers on-site failed to administer first aid or CPR. He was later pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.”

Exactly. It happens constantly. Criminals lie. The police believed him for a few minutes and then they realised what had happened. The idea that “his crime was being white” is such nonsense. Is that why the prisons are disproportionately full of white people? Because people always think the worst of them?

@Glowingupwhy has this story only just got traction? I understand why it didn’t in December. But it’s been on my social feeds for weeks now, only picked up by mainstream media in the last week.

Can we keep in mind who was the victim here?

And the reason for that is the current climate of the police being terrified of being called racist. So, they had two people in from of them. One said “this man is racist” and the other said “I can’t breathe, I’ve been stabbed.” The police completely dismissed him and partly said I don’t think you have mate. Whilst they absolutely believed the one claiming racism, even checking if he was injured. They didn’t even check if Henry was injured until after handcuffing him.

This was absolutely a case of the police hearing the word racist, and then ignoring Henry and treating him immediately like a criminal. Even just looking at the scene - one man was on his feet and perfectly fine, the other was on the ground, mouth full of blood, gurgling through his words, white, shaking, claiming he had been stabbed… and he was dismissed. They automatically believed the “he was racist” and they completely disbelieved the “I’ve been stabbed.” They didn’t even check.

That is 100% down so the police being too scared to look racist, so they over correct and almost fawn over the person claiming racism.

They should have reserved judgement, they should have had an office stand with the family claiming racism and listen to them and check them for injuries and an officer purely concentrating on Henry, listening to him and checking him for injuries. So judgements or actions should have been taken until everyone had been looked over for injury and everyone had been listened to. They didn’t do it simply because one group shouted racism.

Atkinson was not a violent criminal.

The whole of Aston Villa stood up in support for him. He was a troubled schizophrenic with complicating kidney disease.

You calling him a violent criminal is what is disgusting.

He died after being Tasered for far longer than guidelines and following a kick to the head.

The call from his family should have gone through as a call for MH ambulance and welfare and didn't. His family had been told to call 999 if they were concerned. They didn't expect him to be killed.

I am not comparing him to Henry. I am comparing incompetent and dangerous police practices.

I read about it quite a while ago but I would imagine it’s because the trial has just finished and the murderer has been sentenced. None of the details would have been released to the media pre trial for obvious reasons. However the fact that the perpetrator had a ceremonial sword has been reported for quite some time. But that’s the way it is. It’s when the trial is ongoing that the case gets publicity. I also hadn’t heard much about the Preston Davey case until the trial began.

Yes, he did. Because he lied, and that lie has been debunked by the court. Does it somehow surprise you that people lie to try to get away with crimes?

in this particular case, at least one other person lied which was the murderer's brother, who made the 999 call and said they had been racially attacked.

He was attempting to kill his family.