Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

[EvangelicalAboutButteredToast]

I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

“I have been stabbed”

Was that a lie?

When someone is saying they have been stabbed in a low voice and the other is chatting away leading the conversation then surely you go to the quietest person

Thought it would be part of their training. Similar to the question who to treat first if there are several injured people in a car accident
The ones who are the quietest are the ones who usually need the more immediate attention.

Its the fact that someone said they have been stabbed but the police officers ignored them until they said it again and again.

What did they think I have been stabbed meant?

Arent police in their training taught to red flag anyone who tries to lead the rhetoric whilst the other person is lay on the ground not saying anything.

Whatever the age, sex, creed or colour of a person. If there are 2 people and 2+ police officers then surely 1 would be looking after the person speaking and the other should have been attending to the person on the ground.

I don’t get why on first hearing I have been stabbed why for their own safety the other person involved wasn’t immediately searched and placed in handcuffs

The whole issue of policing in this country is upside down.

If we prosecuted the lower level crimes it might put those who would go on to bigger and bigger crimes off from the path they are heading down unchecked
I firmly believe in prosecuting the lower level crimes and having the 3 strikes and you are jailed type of system.

Just to be clear the UK police force don’t carry firearms so don’t go randomly shooting anyone.

My thoughts exactly.

I agree with you. But I didn't bring up George. I think both deaths are wrong.

I think that's what bothers me about the GC mob derailing the thread.

Can't we have ONE thread where men have been murdered and it can be about the men?

It's so disrespectful.

To use another UK reference, Dalian Atkinson was killed by a police officer who was 'protecting' the female officer he was having an affair with. Racial profiling played a significant part in the actions of the officers.

This is the exact issue that I see, but from a black perspective; people dying after appealing to the humanity of law enforcement present. Policing in this country is complex. If bias was present, which automatically labelled a brown person as the victim, then failures are obvious and inexcusable. In no scenario should efforts to access medical attention for Henry have been impeded. But this is not a new story in this country.

I haven't spoken much about this case, because it hurts for many reasons. I'm just trying to listen. It hurts because Henry lost his life, it hurts because now people are calling 'racism' a magic word that one can yield for protection, and it hurts because many people are angry for the same reasons but the racial element is splitting sides, as it always does.

And to the person who said rich people don't care,? Yes. I work for a charity, and I support mostly white people of the lower socioeconomic strata. Many wealthy white people do not care about the issues that affect poorer white people, I see that everyday, as a black woman. Was Henry a victim of this too, via the lawmakers/people in power? The immigration narrative is just too convenient as a source for blame, so Nigel and his homies make it their primary issue to come down hard on. Our new Reform councillor just gleefully announced he'll be stopping targeted financial support for poorer school kids (in this area, that mostly means white children, but most people don't/won't see that).

It's all a mess, but I hope actual change comes from this.

I would say you implyed it. Could be wrong. Neither of them needed to lose their lives.

Misogyny and deliver corruption are a different issue from trying to minimise their actions by suggesting it’s not really their fault because they’re not properly trained.

I actually said the training may not be useful but that’s not from LACK of training. Making them regurgitate mad stuff is not the same as not training them!

“Police had responded to a call as Atkinson threatened to kill his father, Ernest. Atkinson's older brother Kenroy said "My brother had lost it. He was in a manic state and depressed – out of his mind and ranting. He had a tube in his shoulder for the dialysis and he had ripped it out and was covered in blood. He got dad by the throat and said he was going to kill him. He told dad he had already killed me, our brother Paul and sister Elaine and he had come for him."[26]Officers deployed a taser three times, the first two being ineffective; after being successfully tasered and kicked in the head by a police officer, Atkinson went into cardiac arrest on the way to the Princess Royal Hospital, Telford, where he was pronounced dead at about 03:00.[17][25][27] He was 48.[28] The incident was referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.[29]“

As horrific as the footage is, I'm glad it's been released. I don't feel this case has had enough mainstream media coverage until tody. This needs to be a watershed moment.

Imagine you've been stabbed, the police have arrived, you think "thank God, they'll take me to hospital..." and then an officer handcuffs you as you're lying on the ground. You tell him repeatedly you've been stabbed, and he replies "I don't think you have, mate." And you're left to die in handcuffs without even any words of comfort. RIP Henry. His poor family.

Do you know anything about the case or are you just selectively quoting Wikipedia?

For example, you missed this bit out

Monk was found not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter on 23 June 2021.[3] The jury failed to reach a verdict on the other police officer, Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith's, assault charge.[36] On 29 June, Monk was given an eight-year prison sentence. This was the first time in over 30 years that a serving police officer had been convicted of manslaughter in the course of duties.[37] It was later disclosed that Monk had been found guilty of gross misconduct by West Mercia Police in 2011 for not declaring two police cautions in his application to join the police; he had stolen from his previous employer in 1997 and been found drunk in 1999

This shows the huge problem with police training. All you need to watch are a few of the Auditor YouTube videos which no doubt are provocative but clearly display the average constables ignorance of the law. Made up "crimes", twisting to appear "big and powerful". Had I not see examples of power abuse by officers I would not have believed the lack of legal knowledge, and bending by ideology in the police.

Investigation and where appropriate charges and punishment is necessary.

As much as racial aggregation should lead to increased punishment, manipulation and false accusations of racism should be prosecuted as vigorously.

I said they were very different and incomparable situations.

If I were related to, or personally knew Henry, I’d be incredibly angry at your attempt to link the two in any way.

What is incorrect about the quote?

Yes and when mentioned on here posters didn’t believe it. It happened. Poor boy.

Nothing... just all the bits you missed out that come after it :

Monk was found not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter on 23 June 2021.[3] The jury failed to reach a verdict on the other police officer, Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith's, assault charge.[36] On 29 June, Monk was given an eight-year prison sentence. This was the first time in over 30 years that a serving police officer had been convicted of manslaughter in the course of duties.[37] It was later disclosed that Monk had been found guilty of gross misconduct by West Mercia Police in 2011 for not declaring two police cautions in his application to join the police; he had stolen from his previous employer in 1997 and been found drunk in 1999

I thought I was adding the parts that you’d missed out, personally.
Another violent criminal being compared to Henry.

Disgusting.

They were both failed by police, one was in fact killed by them. You come across like one of those people who think GF deserved it tbh, for being ‘a violent criminal’.

It was also another poster excusing GF and Stephen Lawrence’s murder to appears to have brought the topic up, not the poster youre replying to.

I've just read the link above about the weapons charges the brother and father face - this is the inventory for the weapons found in their home - a flick knife, extendable baton, knuckledusters, machete, swords, and kusaris....Gurpreet Digwa faces four additional charges: possessing an offensive weapon, an asp, in a public place, possessing a prohibited weapon, an air rifle, possessing an axe in a public place

Digwa was clearly not just carrying a blade for religious purposes......

Schools!? Kirpan's allowed in schools?

OMG

The Scottish might be allowed to ( when in full kilt regalia) but you can’t get into a pub with one / banned in most venues so the vast majority of kilt owning people have a blunt one or a plastic blade. I assume there was violence in the past before my time but I’ve never heard of a sgian dubh being used to stab someone.

I haven’t mentioned GF except to state that his situation is not the same as Henry’s and it is wildly disrespectful to try to compare them.

I wondered about this and who else in that family was a devout practicing Sikh..Did he become devout because he liked the idea of carrying a knife?

But that isn't the failure. The failure is the police accepting that narrative immediately and withholding medical aid because of that false narrative.

The race/religion aspect is a distraction. This is a fundamental failure in duty by the police: public safety and protection. Even terrorists shot by police get immediate CPR ffs.

wtf is this family doing. All those weapons. Why did they have them? Is anyone asking them
this. I can sort of understand the Mother trying to hide the knife but that whole family had an arnsnal of weapons?

May they rot in hell.

Just owning most of those items is completely illegal in England, even if kept in your home (though not machetes and for swords it is more complex)