Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Yes, let me identify myself as someone who is blissfully ignorant about the Sikh religion.

It has nothing to do with me, I don't care a shit about it and don't want to know about it.

I am now only learning that one of these tenets is the right to carry a knife.

Fuck that! Time to knock that on the head.

Illogical. I think anyone who is going to stab someone will carry a knife no matter what.

The vast majority of stabbings are carried by people who are not permitted to carry knives.

Well done Reform UK and if that makes me racist-WHO CARES!

The answer is less and less people care about being called racist, the more elastic the term becomes.

It's not.

It seems, from the Judge's sentencing remarks para 10 on, that the practice is not to prosecute for possession of a bladed article where the person carrying is a Sikh and says it's a requirement of their religion.

That's not been applied here so far as I can see; the Judge says (para 30) that the Sikh religious exemption ceased to apply when the knife was unsheathed.

In this case, a white person, a young boy, was the victim.

This vile rhetoric 'Oh boohoo white people, you can't be discriminated against duh!' is ignorant and tired.

Some of the posts and videos I've seen online aimed at white people, would not stand for more than a few minutes if they targeted anyone else. I've seen people calling for white genocide, wishing there were no more 'blue eyed blonde people', saying all white people are born evil and racist.

Enough.

Of course it is!
Anyone not part of that religion would be charged for carrying a dangerous weapon!

I've seen George described on this thread as "druggie scum". That does no one any favours.

He was a violent criminal.
A completely different situation to what happened to Henry.

This is exactly it. Why didn’t the police check him when he said he had been stabbed? Thats the point of failure. Had the murderer been a white person, the lack of proper at-the-scene investigation would be the talking point here, but because the murderer is not white it’s suddenly all about race and religion.

This is the crux of it. The police shouldn’t be making any assumptions at all or making moral judgements on who should be given immediate medical treatment or not. Even if it was cut and dry that hypothetical culprit X was a horrific racist or a rapist or started an altercation or assault or was suspected to have murdered someone, if they require urgent medical attention and are bleeding out, that should require upmost urgency and priority and they should not be handcuffed instead of receiving first aid and an ambulance being called. Atrocious behaviour by the police.

Because the perpetrator used his race as a way manipulate the situation

It was the same result though. Two young men died.

This is a pitiful attempt to change the narrative to fit your own agenda. I'm gender critical but I'm embarrassed on your behalf. Do better.

Two young men dying is a very wide scope for comparison

Thank you!

It isn't. Two young men died due to either actions or inactions by the police.

One died because he was a violent criminal who was resisting arrest.

The other was a victim of violent crime and died because the police didn’t care to inspect his injuries.

George Floyd was a 46 year old criminal. The police detaining him was acceptable. But then continuing to sit on him, ignoring his plea and almost relishing the moment by staring down the crowd and sitting up as if to say “look at my power” - that was murder. But the initial situation, totally different. George Floyd was a known dangerous criminal. Henry was a boy, lying on the ground, gurgling out his words, barely breathing, white as a sheet… every action the police took with him was wrong. Every one.

Here you go:

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But I really don't want to get into 'violent ethnicities' debates.

This takes us back to colonialism and various Victorian and 20th Century Wars when the Sikhs were racially profiled as a 'violent tribe' and good for warfare. Based on no actual evidence.

No, its the murderer who made this about race and religion. HN was arrested and handcuffed because he was accused of racial abuse.
The murderer and his family tried to use race and religion to escape justice.

No he died because he had had a major artery in the neck severed by the murderer. Not because the police did not inspect his injuries. George Floyd died because a police officer sat on his neck.

To me it doesn't matter. Are you saying that George deserved to be murdered? Because if you are, that's worrying. Neither of them should have died.

I didn’t once mention the word “deserve”

Your posts are very dismissive. ‘Don’t think you have mate’.

Fair enough.
He was stabbed by a man who used his race to deflect the attention onto his victim and the police immediately believed him and did nothing to help Henry.