Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

If Digwa was also convicted of a knife offence that suggests the legal provision around his religion was not relevant.

The fact that Refuk have jumped on the bandwagon this morning saying that were they to be in government they'd abolish the protections for the Sikh religion tells me what the racists think.

Which is a good reason to carry on as before.

I agree. I don't know much about the Sikh community or religion but I've always had the impression they are a force for good in many ways.

People might want to read the comments on the thread about the attack on Jews where people said it was fine for the officers to kick the suspect in the head. Equally at Manchester airport people (rightly) defended the police for taking violent action. At the end of the day we’re talking about people who where they are asked to attend a scene, many people feign injury, they are themselves subjected to lots of abuse and violence and they have to make a split second call. They really don’t know what has happened and for all they know the person on the ground could be dangerous and pretending to be injured. They made the wrong call here for a matter of minutes. The judge said Henry was handcuffed for one minute before the mistake was discovered and the police were shocked and distressed. I think calling for their heads is entirely wrong. And it’s a total lie to claim that the police think white = criminal. That’s really really not true.

They handcuffed a virtually lifeless man who repeatedly said he couldn't breath and had been stabbed. Henry was clearly in an extremely bad way (like actually dying) and unable to move. Digwa meanwhile half heartedly pointed to an alleged swollen eye (which was non-existent) and otherwise had no signs of injury or even any particular distress. If the police were so fucking keen to use handcuffs why didn't they handcuff both parties until statements were taken. The video should be rammed down the throats of every copper in the land.

People are saying that this would not have happened if the law was different. Well… find me another case of a Sikh using their actual
permitted knife to murder someone? Find me a case of a Scot using their permitted knife to murder someone?

It isn’t the law that is the problem. It is nutcases like this murdered who were carrying illegal knives and would have done so anyway.

He tried to hide behind his right to carry a different knife as a defence. It didn’t work. This has nothing to do with being Sikh and being permitted to carry a ceremonial knife.

I can only assume that you're ignorant of the tenets of the Sikh religion.

The provision has been in force for many years with no evidence it's abused.

Because some of them are utterly incompetent. We've all seen the footage, regardless of he said/she said 'misleading' reporting there was clearly a collapsed person who should have had immediate first aid with and an ambulance immediately requested.

So change the law so that everyone can carry a knife.

It’ll have the same outcome either way. Only the bad guys will be using them… right?

Yes this is the exact issue. Ive seen them treat a sex worker this way after she was battered in the street. Tried to say "just ignore her love, she's always out here getting in trouble". Her face was covered in blood!

Religion should not be above the law.

'but it's clear that something has gone very wrong with how the police carry out their basic functions' as someone who has seen far too many cops over the last 4 years and ongoing - VERY MUCH THIS

Once is enough. No one should have the right to carry a lethal weapon no matter what part of their religious costume it was allegedly part of.

Andrew Malkinson false rape and murder conviction
Sarah Everard previous claims against her murderer ignored
Recent BBC documentary on stalkers where the victims were repeatedly ignored and evidence dismissed
Colin Stagg
Rotherham child abuse scandals
John Warboys victims repeatedly dismissed
Stephen Lawrence investigation

It goes on and on.

But there hasn’t been one time. This man did not use his permitted knife. He was illegally carrying a knife that was not permitted. This has literally nothing to do with knives Sikhs are allowed to carry - there has never been an incident with those.

The people who died at the Ariana Grande Concert died because the security guard was frightened of being racist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54722665

This country is so screwed. Being racist is being seen as being worse than the devil. No one wants to be called racist. It's a social death. Reform are treated like they're the antichrist because they are seen as racist.

There’s never been a case of anyone in my family stabbing anyone.
Should we be allowed to carry them?

Look at the judge’s comments on the weapon.

If for a legitimate reason, then yes. If not, then no. Obviously.

Yes, that was me and yes, you're correct the point I was making was that I would not be allowed to carry a Sikh knife because I am not Sikh.

That is only acceptable if no-one, including those who do so for religious reasons are not allowed to carry one.

I don't know why you say religion is "obviously" a valid reason. It's not.

It may be in countries where that is the main religion but it is not the main religion here and there is nothing obvious about it.

Why do we tolerate this shit?

if you want to wear a religious knife then go to a country where that is the main religion and do so but don't wear it on these streets. I

f that is unacceptable, then the alternative is that everyone can carry one-and some of them are allowed to be considerably more than 3 inches and 3 inches is bad enough.

Why is that Sikh guy that someone linked earlier bellyaching about this case demonising Sikhs...self interest and entitlement and it is bloody infuriating. I'm surprised they aren't out rioting...give it time.

What do you consider a “legitimate reason”?
If we make up our own religion that decrees we need it?

Erm what the hell are you talking about?

George Floyd was murdered in cold blood by racist police officers - his story was one of many that you don’t hear about and it was clear the officer was abusing his position because he was racist. I think that’s massively newsworthy.

Stephen Lawrence - a young teen aged 18 killed by a gang of white racist thugs purely because he was black. Yeah I think that definitely is newsworthy, and particularly so because the lack of justice for him was driven by racism too.

Stop trying to make white people the victim.

Well you can join a demo tonight if you feel that is what is needed. It is organised by Robinson though. That may or may not give you pause.

A white person was the victim in this case. The case this thread is focusing on.

I watched the body cam. How did none of the officers realise how critical he was. Just look at the colour of his hands when they handcuffed him. They were white/grey. You could see he was in severe shock

This type of coercion isn’t as effective as it used to be, you know.