Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

Sorry, I hadn't followed the whole nested chain of comments.

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I'm pleased to see this reaction from the Sikh community, and not particularly surprised by the second part of the first sentence. The biggest risk factor for violence is being male, regardless of ethnicity and religion. Younger males are higher risk than older ones.

The Sikh community has strongly condemned the killing and told the BBC worries about Digwa's behaviour in the past had prompted them to bar him from one of their places of worship in Southampton. It added that this happened long before he murdered Nowak. The Sikh Federation said the blade used by Digwa was not a kirpan and the Sikh Press Association added that plans are in process to ensure every initiated Sikh in the UK is addressed directly regarding kirpan rules and responsibility.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlpyw05l75o

They weren't interested in finding out whether he had in fact been stabbed, their priority was dragging him across the ground and handcuffing him because a brown murderer said the magic word.

Everything about this case is abhorrent. The police need firing and the murderers family need charging with various offences.

I think one police officer has resigned? I assume others suspended. I bet, they’ll be able to go back to their jobs. It’s in the police’s interests to say Henry, would have died of his injuries- well, they would say that wouldn’t they?

Why should some people be allowed to carry knives though?

What’s a good enough reason for this to be ok?

So are the Scottish.

Yes, it’s illegal to carry a knife over 3 inches “without valid reason”, and kirpans are generally 3-9inches.

Religion is obviously considered “valid reason.”

PP asked if she too could carry a “badge sized” knife. The answer, is yes.

If what she meant was “why can’t I carry a knife of 3-9 inches,” she knows the answer. Because she’s not Sikh.

I think what we need to establish is if the remainder of his weapons at home were also religious (unless if has already and I’ve missed it!). If not, he didn’t use a knife because he’s Sikh, he likely would have regardless, and used any of the weapons he had available.

The pathologist said it. It's in the judge's sentencing remarks. I doubt the judge would have taken the word of someone not medically trained on that point, do you?

Scottish people can carry a sgian-dubh with our kilts. I don’t think it makes any difference.

People who want to stab someone are going to carry a knife regardless. The knife this man used was not actually the sort of knife he is allowed to carry (he did also have one of those around his neck, but he used a different, larger knife that he was carrying over his clothes around his waist). Any change in law on carrying knives wouldn’t have changed this - that man would have that knife anyway.

It’s highly unusual for a Sikh to commit this type of crime.

But you’re being very disingenuous to say it’s ’men in general’ unless you can find me an example of a Chinese sex grooming gang? I mean, we have around half a million people of Chinese nationality/heritage in the UK which is a very significant number. When was the last time they engaged in a crime like this?

He was stabbed in the heart and bleeding internally. There wasn’t too much blood outside the body. They’d still have seen it if they checked him properly, but he was stabbed in the heart and he didn’t have a chance. They couldn’t save him.

The issue is how he was treated, and his final moments were being ignored, dragged about, handcuffed and treated like a criminal while his murdered got to stand there being treated like a victim. They couldn’t have saved him but they should have listened to him, helped him, treated him with comfort and dignity.

No one should be allowed to carry them!
If your attitude is that only bad people will use them as weapons and will do so regardless of the law, then why can’t everyone carry one?

Ahh I missed that thank you
I knew if I was wrong someone would point it out
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I think what happened here warrants an inquiry equivalent to the Macpherson Report- it's clear that the police officers' assumptions about what had happened affected their decisions in a way that suggests something more than individual incompetence. Basic principles like objectivity, impartiality and the need to inquire into events rather than taking them on trust, seem to have been abandoned simply because an accusation of racism had been made.

I don't agree with people saying it's obviously two tier policing or anti-white racism, but it's clear that something has gone very wrong with how the police carry out their basic functions where a member of a minority group has made an allegation (which is exactly the wrong lesson for them to have taken from Macpherson).

He’d had an artery in his neck severed and wouldn’t have recovered even if he got help. The police didn’t cause his death.

Which they have been. Digwa was also sentenced for carrying a knife in public and his mother, Kiran Kaur, 53, was found guilty of assisting an offender after she attempted to hide the blade used in the attack. She will be sentenced on 17 July.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d2w411rgro

Gurpreet Digwa, 27, and Moga Singh, 52, both of St Denys Road in Southampton, are due to appear at Southampton Magistrates’ Court this afternoon.
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/26158895.brother-father-vickrum-digwa-face-weapons-charges/

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0gthis response does not surprise me, it’s says a lot about the Sikh community (in a positive way)!

Religious observance if it's a real and genuine need to carry one and there's no previous history of it being a problem.

ISTR Sikhs have, or had at one time, an exemption from needing a 'skid lid' on motorbikes because of the prohibition on removing the turban.

I like living in a tolerant and diverse society.

As I said already I don't think the perp here would have behaved any differently if the exemption for his religion was ignored.

Good. Hopefully there will be a guilty verdict and appropriate sentence.

So why don’t we just let everyone carry them?
I don’t believe there is a “genuine need” in the case of religious observance.

We're not talking about sex grooming gangs. We're talking about violent crime. I don't know how crime statistics are broken down when it comes to ethnicity and religion. I do know that all over the world as far back as any crime statistics have been kept almost all sexual crime and most violent crime has been committed by males. That is the only point I was making.

This is a heartbreaking tragic case,
Why didnt the police prioritise preserving life,surely safety comes first ?
Why did the police decide who the victim was before investigation/evidence?
How have we got to place where those we entrust to keep us safe have such disregard for life?

A horrific way to treat an 18 year old. Handcuffed, arrested as he pleaded. All they had to do was not preconceive his guilt and listen.

Horrific, not sure how anyone can excuse it.