Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

People here would have also decided not to help the victim if they believed he was a criminal of some sort. They've made that clear. I am one of the only ones saying that whether he is racist or not is irrelevant to the inappropriateness of the police officer's actions. You all are saying he wasnt racist so it was wrong of them. You think racists dont deserve medical attention when dying which is a view, but not one I share.

The thug with a knife isn't so much the story as the attitude of the officers attending though even if they'd started CPR as soon as they attended Nowak would not have survived.

The knife seems to have left no exit wound and therefore little external bleeding while Nowak suffered massive internal bleeding.

This link is enlightening and frightening.

https://akaalaccessories.co.uk/blogs/news/what-makes-a-kirpan-legal-understanding-your-rights-in-the-uk?srsltid=AfmBOoqaJN72izVa6sjNIC1D4r8zcDIl9FJvwsNNRwc3lIFpcLUc-VTB

There is no legal limit on the length of a Kirpan but it’s recommended to be between 3 and 6 inches to be taken into schools.

Ban it.

And investigate exactly what police officers are being trained to do in regard to racial incidents. Are they simply instructed to take the word of the non-white person?

at the most basic
they believed he was a racist thug and therefore was pretending

that the race card can be used freely to ensure the police take the crime seriously

“he racists” beats I can’t breath , I’ve been stabbed

Oh gosh yes, I'm utterly perilous! And it's so sweet the way you're singling me out for all your attention considering it wasn't actually me that made any of the posts you disagree with. But don't worry, I LOVE attention! 😆 Oh edited to say, people who talk about "mental health" are crashing bores...

Id listen to the family. They've been vocal about it.

Life should mean life for these types. I don't believe in the death penalty.

The fact that Henry’s murderer wasn’t handcuffed means they definitely didn’t check whether Henry had been stabbed. At what point did Henry die? When did the Ambulance arrive ? At what point did they realise it was a stabbing and a murder ?

No one should walk around with any knife whether its a 8 inch knife or a bloody butter knife!!!!

Yes. Knives for religious reasons need to banned. That whole family have brought shame onto their religion.

I understand that are allowed to be brought into schools..wtf!

A young man died a horrific death and you turn a thread about it into "men in frocks", while calling people who are trying to post around you all "dimwits".

Now that is an unheathly obsession.

I have no idea how police are trained for these situations, but I would have thought the immediate priority would be to separate the two, check for injuries on both, and make the area safe. The questioning and allegations between them surely comes later. Conclusions even later than that. Why did they leap straight to assumptions and accept the word of one party. They're the police - they know suspects lie.

Oh gosh yes, I'm utterly perilous! And it's so sweet the way you're singling me out for all your attention considering it wasn't actually me that made any of the posts you disagree with. But don't worry, I LOVE attention! 😆 Oh edited to say, people who talk about "mental health" are crashing bores...

Bless

I could not bring myself to watch the video, its truly heartbreaking what has happened and may Henry RIP.

I also was not aware that the Kirpan could be worn in public, (knew it was part of their religion). I am shocked that this is allowed, not just for them to potentially use, but anyone could grab at it and use.

Completely shocked to see it is allowed to be worn in school!! Also that it is not widely known! How on earth can this be? I have seen some policies, must be blunt etc, but are these checked daily? I can't imagine they are.

I have looked on my child's secondary school website but unable to find a relevant policy. Although they do have Sikh students whom attend.

I have nothing against them owning them for religious reasons but surely something can be put in place where schools are exempt/even replicas made of plastic? Not just for schools all public places.

I'm not comfortable knowing that any form of potential weapon can be allowed onto school premises. Not accusing the owner of potentially using, it could fall into the wrong hands of anyone.

All baptised Sikhs wears the five K’s, one of which is the kirpan. It applies to both males and females. In my family, my mother wears a kirpan because she is baptised. My father does not.

The photo and name of the police officer who handcuffed Henry and said ‘I don’t think so mate’ is plastered all over social media. I’m not going to post it on here but it’s out there.

But in fact in so many ways in society it now does matter if you're accused of racism or other bigotry in terms of how you're treated. And it can be completely made up as in this case and result in worse treatment, as in this case.

All someone has to do is claim 'insert specific bigotry' and it results in two tier treatment. As this murderer clearly knew, I doubt this was the first time he'd used this tactic.

It's a systemic problem.

They won’t listen to your daughter if she’s been raped by a minority; they won’t listen to your son if he’s been stabbed by a minority.

It will only get worse. Why are the cops like this? Did they even do anything when one of their own was punched in the face? Did anything come of that?

Happening all too frequently that some members of society blatently lie. Look at the Manchester airport incident where lies were told and would probably have been too readily believed if there hadnt been footage showing what really happened. Because race apparenyly trumps someone on the floor dying. If i was poor Harrys family i would make sure a price was paid by the police force here and learnings taken that some only have to open their mouths and lies spill out.

I agree and this is why, thankfully, the word "Racist" is losing its power.

Many people no longer quake in fear at being called a Racist as the definition of racist has now widened so much it it ludicrous. The worm is starting to eat its own tail.

Most people believe being racist is beating someone up, denying them a job they deserve, strong verbal abuse the like and they still believe that is wrong. But
a growing number no longer believe it is racist to say they don't want halal meat, to say that grooming gangs are usually foreigners, or that they want the return of Sus Laws, White Privilege , and many other examples.

The reply that is now often given to this accusation is, "So What" unless that is you're the police, or type of fool that still believes to be called a racist is worse than being called a murderer, rapist or paedophile.

This poor young man died as a result of racism being the card that no other can trump and if people and /or Reform want to make capital out of that then that is a good thing.

Time to kick racism out-not in the way it is usually meant but kick it out of its number one spot as the worst thing you can do.

People here are happy to believe that there is a deep institutional problem with police hating white people.

But apparently unwilling to consider that the police are just very poorly trained, often violent and arrogant, and would have quite happily treated any other presumed criminal with the same contempt.

I fully agree with you. It’s sad people are so gullible that they’d rather believe Nigel f-ing Farage than actually do something about what they’re pretending to care about- police violence.