Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

The Police accepted everything the murderer said without question. Brown man good, white man bad, thats the rule.

They handcuffed and restrained the dying man for several minutes before it occured to them that they should perhaps try to save his life.

The Police were not using their brains, but glibly following 'anti racist procedure'.

That the murder knew that mentioning racism would immediately ensure he got no scrutiny - while his victim was arrested and left to die in handcuffs on the ground - shows the extent of the problem we have with this.

A disgusting story which should see Police Officers jailed.

Compare the story and coverage to that of drug addled thug George Floyd.

Ae you still weirdly obsessing about trans related issues on this thread? You shoukd speak to a psychiatrist. It isnt normal to be so obsessed that you hijack a thread about a murder to go on about it. I think you may need referral to one of those agencies like Prevent. You are scarily fixated on trans people.

Handcuffs represent a use of force and so their use should be reasonable, necessary, and proportionate. They were applied to someone lying on the ground who they had been told was unable to stand and was bleeding from the mouth. The decision to apply them therefore does not seem any of the above and instead seems motivated by the necessary reaction to the concocted racism story.

Racism isnt "hurty words". The point is that even a racist has the right to medical attention. Even a child molester does.

Henry wasn’t racist. It was a lie from the perpetrator.

The trial has concluded so the whole thing can be reported upon

It's an issue about whether some special groups are given different treatment by the police compared to everyone else. It's about whether there's two tier policing. There can be more than one group this applies to and there seems to be increasing evidence that this is the case.

It's a wider point speaking to a culture in the police which means that bluntly they are not doing the job they should and the societal contract has broken. That they automatically believe some people and not others and don't objectively assess the evidence in front of them.

Seriously, that poster explained what she meant. This needn’t have been continued because of your desire to shoehorn your “disgust”. Enough.

You can respond if you feel the need to register your “disgust” again, but I won’t be engaging with you and enabling you to derail further.
You’ve already made your character clear with your earlier (now deleted) post that really WAS disgusting and absolutely DID NOT belong on a thread about this poor murdered boy.
Shameless and a shocking lack of self awareness considering what you’ve been saying on this thread.

This. If this is made about the Kirpan it will make an already tragic and horrific situation worse. It’s not about a symbolic dagger that has been carried without issue by a peaceable section of our society forever. The far right will use this and that would be the exact reaction the Novak family have said they don’t want.

I have watched the video and I feel desperately sad for everyone involved. For Henry. For his family. And actually for the Police Officers who due to a combination of failure in training, fear of being labelled racist, being lied to, and yes, making a big and awful series of mistakes, treated an innocent 18 year old terribly in his dying minutes. They will have to live with that forever which is a life sentence in itself.

21 years minimum sentence is not enough in my view for the perpetrator of this crime. And I don’t know why his brother and Mother have not also been imprisoned for their behaviour around perverting the course of justice. They are as guilty as the murderer to me.

😁Is that the best you've got!

It’s been all over social media for weeks (depending on your algorithm).. mainstream media are only just picking it up.

No protests, looting or setting police cars on fire yet though.

It is completely irrelevant if he was or wasnt. Criminality doesnt mean you lose your right to medical attention. It wouldnt matter if he said the most vile racist things or attacked someone due to their race. The police dont get to decide who is worthy of medical attention based on their criminal behaviour. That is the whole issue.

It is a problem because carrying a knife is against UK laws. National laws should apply to every citizen and every visitor to the country and religion should not come into it. If I go to Saudi Arabia and drink I’ll be arrested and quite right too. Im breaking their laws and it’s my responsibility to find out what the laws are and abide by them. I can’t just say “oh, I’m a Christian and Jesus turned water into wine.”
Ive got good friends who are Sikhs and Sikhs are, as a community, a kind, gentle group of people but that should not put them above the law.

Someone like me would have given Henry medical attention even if he had a swastika on his forehead. It seems like people here want to be able to decide who gets help based on how good of a person they are.

It is relevant as people repeat it online and it’s misinformation. Henry wasn’t racist.

It is irrelevant to whether the police should hsve gotten him medical attention.

It's beyond heartbreaking and the police treatment of this poor young man was incredibly wrong. Everyone needs to listen to Henry's dad, on the day when Reform, disgustingly, try to exploit this tragedy to stir up hatred and division, calling for his son's death not to be used in this way.

Nobody talking about trans issues cares about the man who was murdered. They care about hating men.

How are they exploiting it? They’re well known for being outspoken about what they call ‘two tier policing’, events like this are their raison d’etre. It’s like calling the Green Party out for ‘exploiting’ an oil spill.

It isn’t true that the only sincerely held opinions and concern come from the left wing and everyone else is ‘agenda’.

Nobody is allowed to carry a dangerous knife around with impunity.

Everyone is allowed to carry one if they have a good reason and that includes religious reasons.

If the police saw a Sikh carrying a knife in what they deemed a dangerous situation then they could arrest and charge them.

I am against the idea that religious rituals are a good reason but we need to be clear about the the law says.

They absolutely should listen to Henry's dad, but equally people who read about this case are entitled to be very worried about the same happening to their own children. It does need discussing.