Henry Nowak - just watched the video for the first time

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I don’t understand how the officers could not tell he had been stabbed. He repeatedly says he can’t breathe and when he says he has been stabbed, they say, ‘I don’t think so mate.’ When he says it again they ask where and he says his face, they then roll him over so they can look at his face, and the video ends with the officer saying the handcuffed victim was likely going to be sick.

i completely understand the officers went there having been told a lie and you see the perpetrator on the video retelling the lie and claiming he’d been a victim of a racist assault, i just can’t understand how the officers didn’t recognise the guy on the floor was dying.

I’ve watched the video and it’s horrific and very sad for the family and so sad the lad lost his life. In hindsight I’m sure the officers are SO sorry and this will haunt them forever. One thing I noticed was there was no blood which could explain why they didn’t know he had been stabbed. Was it under his clothing? Usually in a fatal stabbing there is so much blood. How the perpetrator stood there so calm and lied is beyond comprehension. Evil evil man

It’s not just what they report though - it’s how they report it. As I said above, anyone basing their information on this on how it’s reported in the Guardian or the BBC probably STILL doesn’t know that there was a call from an uninvolved member of the public saying that someone had been stabbed. I suspect the confusion about whether or not a “religious” blade was used may also come from biased coverage. Thee were two knives but he did use a kirpan because his brother has been recorded as asking him what he was thinking using it, and he replied “I’m an idiot”. So whichever of the two he used, for the people concerned, he did indeed use one that's considered by them to be part of their religious panoply.

“but to say that this is anti-white racism is completely off the mark. The Police were white too.”

I’m sorry, but that’s absolute horse shit. You think White people aren’t affected by anti-White rhetoric? Plenty of White people act as very vocal apologists when any form of racism or discrimination occurs against White people. They’re usually among the first to jump in with their opinions. Many other White people would just go along with it for fear of facing backlash and racism accusations of their own.

The race of police don’t negate the racial nature of the situation, the race of the victim V perpetrator is what came into play here.

Stop and search doesn't actually isolate offenders very well, though. If it worked, then you could say they are identifying people accurately but it doesn't so you can't
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The problem isn’t really Sikhs carrying ceremonial knives as a symbol of religion though is it? The problem is dangerous people carrying knives and stabbing other people with them. Banning Sihks from carrying knives probably would not have stopped this terrible tragedy - he would probably have carried the larger and more dangerous knife anyway.

The police response was very wrong though and should never have happened.

By ‘anti white’ people don’t mean the police officers were inherently racist against white people. They meant the bias of their influences meant their instant assumption was to assume Henry was the perpetrator, because all training is geared around racism and ‘hate crime’. To a degree that shows it is now developing into a different kind of bias.

Let’s not pretend this is the first time that police have allowed White victims to suffer horrifically because of their race and the race of their abusers.

This has been fucking decades in the making and it NEEDS addressing immediately.

Lol, that's the best argument you've got? You can only use stop and search when you definitely know someone is guilty? Why not simply arrest them then?

I'd say the vast majority of Black men have been. My partner gets stopped about once every 3 months for a routine check. Sometimes with our children. He is a tradesman.

That's funny because when a white man commits a crime (rape being the main one) it is mentioned straight away but when a different minority commit a crime there's no mention of race/religion/skin colour. Usually its then followed up by hundreds of people asking what they looked like (then worried people then labeled racists). So no unfortunately details are not always kept secret until it goes to court, they are kept secret in the case of ethnic minorities.

Awful, beyond awful. Poor family and poor, poor Henry.

Police were fucking shocking!!!!…. I understand they never knew what was going on initially but you would at least check. You only handcuff if it’s proportional, he clearly wasn’t putting up a fight in that instance. So, so negligent. They should hang their heads in shame.

As I have already said a couple of times upthread.
Once a suspect has been a arrested and charged with murder the press then have to remain quiet about the case until it is actually in court.
This stops information (that may be false ) from leaking to potential jurors or influencing the direction of the case.

As is perfectly illustrated by the police officers who first responded to Henry Nowak - preconceived notions and influence from others clouded their judgement and they put handcuffs on someone who was innocent.

You're wrong- what that poster is pointing out is that there are sacred cows in the west: trans, race, certain religions, and that we are so terrified of of being accused of hate towards these groups, we will choose to "believe" the so-called oppressed minority every time- even in dire circumstances- better to have a white boy die than be accused of racism etc.
Henry wasn't racist but even if he had been- so fkn what? racist or anti-religious language is not worse than rape, murder, paedophilia etc but is treated with more gravity.
Remember the excuses for the Charlie Hebdo murders and the myriad other examples since.
Oh, unless it's on a white person- Iryna Zarutska's killer is on camera as saying "I got the white bitch" after stabbing her, but somehow racism never entered the discussion then.
It's not great to judge people on their skin colour but, newsflash, every race does it- and if you make it a super-crime, bad people will inevitably use it to their own ends as Henry's killer knew and immediately leaped on for his bullshit defence.

Edited to add: I cannot bear to watch the footage- I have a bot the same age and stage. Hope some of you begin to understand just how much your asinine "bekind" stances have played into Henry's murder.

The footage should be played in parliament and every single MP be forced to watch it. They're paid enough, this is the bare minimum they need to do. Henry deserves that much at least. RIP Henry.

I'm not sure I'll ever trust the police again.

No you need better methods of identifying people at high risk of perpetrating crime. Skin colour isn't a good way of doing that.

So it’s ok with you if this happens again? Why risk it

Show an example of this please.

Nope she’s right and makes a coherent point.

Exactly. Sort out who said what later but initially assess the scene and someone laid collapsed saying they'd been stabbed should be the priority. First aid, ambulance. It should be really basic regardless of any alleged confusing allegations.

No she makes an offensive point which takes away from the actual victim who would likely be disgusted by any view that argues against the rights of trans people given his age. He would likely feel violated by people with thise views supporting him..

If we ban Sikh people from carrying knives, someone else would still be stabbed to death the same week. It would make no impact on knife crime stats at all.

In that case it would make complete sense to stop watching these channels and watch other channels who don't have these restrictions instead of being spoon-fed information.
These other media outlets show videos where people can see for themselves the crimes and who is commiting them. They say suspects names where the mainstream media won't. Some of it is withheld by law, obviously, but a lot of details are kept quote by some organisations whilst others are freely giving the information out.

Is it just me or does anyone else wonder why there is so little reporting on the amount of young black men murdered by other young black men? Mainly in the major cities, London, Birmingham etc. No MSM outrage, no hysteria, no protests, cars and businesses set on fire, no knee-taking by prominent politicians, actors, actresses, no marching with banners?
Strange, isnt it.........

Putting words in a dead child’s mouth? Jesus, now that’s revolting.