The Restore Britain March seems to have gone pretty well today from what I can glean online.

[EvangelicalAboutButteredToast]

It could be a faulty algorithm, but the trouble the PM seemed to think would happen doesn’t seem to have materialised. I’ve seen clips from the march where a diverse mix of people have marched, not just football hooligan types.

Burnham will now be asked, daily, about his policy towards rejoining the EU.

“I’m not focussed on it in this by election” will not wash in Leave and Reform voting Makerfield, and that’s why Streeting has done it.

Are you a rejoiner Andy?
Will it be in your manifesto?
He’ll hear that all the time now, and he’ll have to talk about it, and get more and more Brexity as the weeks roll by.

It’s the fissure in the Labour Party.

Members and activists etc want to rejoin and Streeting knows that.

Nice one Wes …

If it helps, I shared the immigration, net migration and small boat arrival stats upthread.

Which Labour MPs sitting on wafer-thin majorities in seats no one expected them to win last time are going to vote to dissolve Parliament with the polls as they currently stand?

Or do you think a new Labour leader is going to call a suicide election?

What are you on about?

No you don’t know me or anything about all the times I’ve felt threatened and by whom.
You don’t know my dd either or how or when she feels safe or threatened.

I have never said that I would not feel threatened by gangs of black or brown football hooligans.
Or that dd would feel completely safe being surrounded by hordes of non white men draped in flags screaming ‘Get back to where you fucking come from!’
We don’t live in a foreign county where people behave like that.
Saying that, we absolutely should feel safe travelling anywhere in the country to which we belong.

What is your issue?

The fact that some non white men are misogynistic pricks, does not mean that the white indigenous males should also behave like misogynistic pricks.
They would gain more respect if they actually respected women. But they don’t.

This thread is about yesterdays match and some posters trying hard to pretend that all the protesters were well behaved, pleasant and civil.

Reality says they absolutely were not.

Truth is. It’s men- again, that are the problem.

Simple.

A no-confidence motion - as in 1979.

Perhaps you assume that Burnham will win the Makerfield by-election.

Oh dear.

Insightful.

You were one of those who predicted Labour’s current crisis? No, you weren’t.

Oh dear….

You have to look at this from a historical POV. Devolution to Scotland, Wales and N Ireland has increased nationalism in those regions. Nobody finds anything wrong with that especially the liberal media and political class. What they find heinous and nauseating is English nationalism. The continous emphasis on slavery and colonialism uniquely blamed on the English is one aspect when most English people weren't involved at all in these practices. They would have been toiling in the mills and mines. It's caused a backlash.

Yeah all right nooooowww!

I am all for English devolution. England should have a parliament same as the other nations, all reporting into a UK government.

No, I'm not.

You haven't answered my question about which Labour MPs would support such a motion in the current environment?

As a reminder, the Callaghan government started out with a very slim majority, which it then lost and survived only via the Lib-Lab pact until it finally fell in 1979, when it was down to 306 MPs.

As a reminder, the current government has 403 MPs, with a current working majority of 167.

So I'll ask again: which 80-odd MPs do you think are going to lose their seats to by-elections, defect to other parties or otherwise vote to help another party into power?

Not a very adult answer. You vote on policies and not a particular government. As Labour have a significant majority, they are in until the next general election.
What makes you think a different government would do any better. The Tories tried for 14 years and failed.

What are you on about?

Seriously your posts make no sense.

You’re comparing a Labour government with a current working majority of 167 with, well no. Let’s not spoil it. You work it out yourself

Plenty people don't care for nationalism in Scotland - lots of the popular press /radio have spoken out against it. It wasn't actually devolution that increased the SNP vote share in Scotland. It was after the no vote and the fact that Scottish Labour backed the no vote - and that voters felt they had been lied to in 2014.

It's taken 104 years in Wales for labour not to be in power in Wales

The Labour Government is imploding - and yet, to several of you, all is just fine and dandy.

Hilarious.

167

Honestly I think the biggest error Blair made with devolution was not moving to a fully federal system with England getting similarly devolved powers and funding.

The messy halfway house of a system we've got is ridiculously unbalanced from the point of view of political power and is really a bit of a mess.

Also the Brexit thing.

And let's face it the Conservatives won't be in power again for a very long time. Though the party may have a coalition with Reform in 2029.

It's a total mess. A bit like the end of the Johnson and then the Truss administrations.

You still haven't said what you think the credible path to an early GE is, though?

Lol! You sound like Trump. He's a bad mannered demented imbecile who calls other people dumb, unintelligent and stupid.

I don't vote Labour

There was votes for devolution in various parts of England and the result was no.

A row has broken out at the top of the Labour party over whether Britain should try to rejoin the EU after Wes Streeting said the country should eventually seek to regain membership.
Streeting, who resigned as health secretary last week in protest at Keir Starmer’s leadership, kicked off a war of words after he argued on Saturday that Britain’s future lay back in the EU.
After the culture secretary, Lisa Nandy, dismissed his comments as odd, Streeting’s allies hit back, saying the government’s lack of willingness to discuss the issue was symptomatic of why it is so unpopular.
The row is an indication of the divisions within Labour as the party heads into a byelection in Makerfield that could determine the fate of the entire government.