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The Restore Britain March seems to have gone pretty well today from what I can glean online.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 16/05/2026 19:40

It could be a faulty algorithm, but the trouble the PM seemed to think would happen doesn’t seem to have materialised. I’ve seen clips from the march where a diverse mix of people have marched, not just football hooligan types.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 14:18

FoulBlister · 17/05/2026 14:12

That you are contradicting yourself.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast. Today 08:39
I didn’t march yesterday and don’t condone racist chants from anyone.
EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Yesterday 20:47
I rather like the chants of Keir Starmer’s a wanker 🤣

How am I contradicting myself? Calling Keir Starmer a wanker isn’t racist.

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Grammarnut · 17/05/2026 14:19

ForWittyTealOP · 17/05/2026 14:10

Just that really. Do you believe the war could have been won without the US? Or that it was a straight fight between good and evil?

Germany could not win WWII after 1942 because there was an effective blockade. The rest was just attrition to force Germany to surrender. Yes, WWII would have been won without the US, but it would have taken 2 or 3 years longer, so the US prevented much destruction by finally joining the war effort after happily being neutral (ditto WWI for fence sitting).

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 14:20

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 14:18

Why do you think Mumsnet deletes posts? It’s literally to avoid court cases. Anyone that thinks they have the right to maraude around online accusing people of accepting payment for posts most be delusional, particularly in the era we live in. Anyone sensible would admit they got a bit carried away and stopped digging the hole. I’m happy to be called pathetic and I’m pretty reasonable when it comes to arguing my politics as I’m aware this is a left wing site, but doubling down on accusations of being a shill is unacceptable.

Are you going to go to a solicitor over this? A libel case can cost from anything from 50k to 500k plus. Mumsnet deletes posts for lots of reasons. Not just the threat of court cases

Grammarnut · 17/05/2026 14:21

C8H10N4O2 · 17/05/2026 13:50

Did you miss the pictures of banners talking about “zionists” and propagating the blood libel - pictures taken at the right wing march?

No. But I saw plenty of anti-Zionist hate on the pro-Palestinian march - which went right past Westminster synagogue. You need to prove the UTK anti-Zioinists, please.

JassyRadlett · 17/05/2026 14:22

ForWittyTealOP · 17/05/2026 14:10

Just that really. Do you believe the war could have been won without the US? Or that it was a straight fight between good and evil?

Total aside, but it probably would have been won in the end without the US as combatants, but would have taken much longer and been more painful.

Without Lend Lease is a more difficult question, but it's hard to see a path to Axis victory after Barbarossa.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 14:22

A left wing site? I must have imagined all the folk on the boards running around calling me lazy and a scrounger (I'm on disability benefits) and telling me that the week after I broke my leg in three places that I should be wheeling myself to work in a call centre.

Some people on here are as far from left wing as its possible to be

ForWittyTealOP · 17/05/2026 14:22

Grammarnut · 17/05/2026 14:19

Germany could not win WWII after 1942 because there was an effective blockade. The rest was just attrition to force Germany to surrender. Yes, WWII would have been won without the US, but it would have taken 2 or 3 years longer, so the US prevented much destruction by finally joining the war effort after happily being neutral (ditto WWI for fence sitting).

Agree to differ.

BackToLurk · 17/05/2026 14:23

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 14:18

Why do you think Mumsnet deletes posts? It’s literally to avoid court cases. Anyone that thinks they have the right to maraude around online accusing people of accepting payment for posts most be delusional, particularly in the era we live in. Anyone sensible would admit they got a bit carried away and stopped digging the hole. I’m happy to be called pathetic and I’m pretty reasonable when it comes to arguing my politics as I’m aware this is a left wing site, but doubling down on accusations of being a shill is unacceptable.

Mumsnet deletes posts that break their rules.

2dogsandabudgie · 17/05/2026 14:24

ForWittyTealOP · 17/05/2026 12:30

And the language she used was problematic. If you're interested to know where people are from, you ask them. If you tell the PM that you don't know where they're all flocking from and you're not allowed to ask, you are behaving in a bigoted way. That's just objective reality.

Where I work is diverse. I ask my colleagues about themselves, their lives, what things are like for them. I don't go to my manager and say, all these people, I'm not allowed to say anything...where are they all flocking from?

If I remember at the time, anyone who tried to raise concerns was called racist which I think is what she was referring to. Maybe she didn't articulate herself very well but that doesn't mean she's a bigot for having those concerns. She was retired so wasn't referring to one or two people she was working with but the thousands who were making the journey daily.

BackToLurk · 17/05/2026 14:26

Grammarnut · 17/05/2026 14:21

No. But I saw plenty of anti-Zionist hate on the pro-Palestinian march - which went right past Westminster synagogue. You need to prove the UTK anti-Zioinists, please.

Yea. Jews are notoriously safe from the far right.

QueenOfHiraeth · 17/05/2026 14:27

RedTagAlan · 17/05/2026 13:56

Claim the moral high ground ?

This is why my head spins on this subject.

So if I say racism in any shape or form is morally wrong, are you saying there is an alternate morality where racism is good ? That the moral high ground is conditional ?

No, I am agreeing with you that "racism in any shape or form is morally wrong" but I am also saying that for someone to accuse others of racism, simply because they hold different views and the accuser wishes to appear morally superior is also wrong.

My head spins too at times but I am certainly not condoning any racism and don't understand how you read that into my post?

placemats · 17/05/2026 14:30

QueenOfHiraeth · 17/05/2026 13:42

The example of that happening to your daughter is never likely to happen in the UK though and quite rightly, it never should, but we do allow inclusion of some groups of people whose views exclude others. Note the recent complaints about some factions on the pro-Palestine marches and their antisemitic views.

As you say, there is a danger in being tolerant of people who are intolerant of us but there is also a danger of calling a wide range of people racist and right-wing when they just hold a different view to those trying to claim the moral high ground.

Who is "us" in the last paragraph and what moral high ground is anyone on this thread trying to claim?

RedTagAlan · 17/05/2026 14:30

QueenOfHiraeth · 17/05/2026 14:27

No, I am agreeing with you that "racism in any shape or form is morally wrong" but I am also saying that for someone to accuse others of racism, simply because they hold different views and the accuser wishes to appear morally superior is also wrong.

My head spins too at times but I am certainly not condoning any racism and don't understand how you read that into my post?

Surely exclusion based on race is racist ?

ForWittyTealOP · 17/05/2026 14:30

That's not my recollection tbh.

APintofBitterPleaseLandlord · 17/05/2026 14:31

BackToLurk · 17/05/2026 14:23

Mumsnet deletes posts that break their rules.

MNHQ certainly do delete posts where there could be legal ramifications.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 14:35

APintofBitterPleaseLandlord · 17/05/2026 14:31

MNHQ certainly do delete posts where there could be legal ramifications.

Do you think someone being called a shill on a thread like this would result in a court case?

FoulBlister · 17/05/2026 14:36

You have to hand it to the OP.

18 hours of concertedly defending a point she initially said might be based on a faulty algorithm about a march she didn't know the name of.

BackToLurk · 17/05/2026 14:37

APintofBitterPleaseLandlord · 17/05/2026 14:31

MNHQ certainly do delete posts where there could be legal ramifications.

I didn’t say they didn’t, but their rules are broader than what is legal. It would be a mistake to conclude that something amounted to defamation based on it being deleted.

FoulBlister · 17/05/2026 14:37

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2026 13:30

It makes as much sense as TR saying he would end foreign funding in this country.

At a rally where he thanked the foreign investors who had funded the rally.

placemats · 17/05/2026 14:40

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 14:18

How am I contradicting myself? Calling Keir Starmer a wanker isn’t racist.

Calling Kemi Badenoch a wanker isn't racist either. However it's all very puerile don't you think?

TemperanceWest · 17/05/2026 14:40

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 13:49

Either back it up or retract it. You are legally obliged to back up your accusation with some facts or retract it. I shall leave that with you to decide.

Legally obliged? 😂

Andouillette · 17/05/2026 14:41

SpryTaupeTurtle · 17/05/2026 12:41

Rupert Lowe has an estimated net worth of 25-30 million. He can clearly afford to give his MP salary to charity. Others can't. The SNP MP group have been giving away their yearly pay rise since 2015.

Well yes, but giving it away to the SNP itself. It's a compulsory tithe and about the only thing that is keeping the party afloat financially.

Grammarnut · 17/05/2026 14:43

The 24th is Pentecost. The Labour government of H. Wilson de-coupled the Bank Hol from the religious festival on purpose, and desperately wanted to do the same with Easter, but Easter is huge commercial event as well as a Christian festival, so they got opposition from commerce. No opposition for Whitsun so it has disappeared from public conciousness. Mum and apple pie is US. Mothering Sunday takes place during Lent in the UK, before Easter, so no apple pie. Whitsun/Pentecost celebrates the descent of the Holy Spirit.

placemats · 17/05/2026 14:43

Andouillette · 17/05/2026 14:41

Well yes, but giving it away to the SNP itself. It's a compulsory tithe and about the only thing that is keeping the party afloat financially.

Are you suggesting that only the wealthy can be politicians?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/05/2026 14:45

BackToLurk · 17/05/2026 14:23

Mumsnet deletes posts that break their rules.

And why do you think those rules exist? There really seems to be a lack of critical thinking on display here.

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