Why are Jewish people facing persecution in the UK?

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I don’t understand why Jewish people are being persecuted in this country. What is wrong with people?

@SharonEllis Islam was spread by violent conquest but that was (mostly) more than 1000 years ago, whereas the occupation of Palestinian lands is happening now.

Also leftists aren’t educated on the history of Islam, plus Muslims are one of their big client groups so they don’t like to criticise them.

Sorry for the thread de-rail.

Then as i said, why isn't IDF producing the evidence? IDF also use the double tap method of secondary bombings.

Hamas is also a Govt, they have people working for them that have nothing to do with their terrorist operations, are these people also legitimate targets.

IDF never produced any evidence at all that Hospitals were HQs, UK doctors who went there say they never saw any Hamas in hospitals or weapons stores, are they all liars and terrorist supporters? not one has ever backed the IDF accounts.

& if IDF knew hostages held with Dr's why did they rescue them or attempt too?

UK journalists in Lebanon have vouched for the medics and journalists targeted by IDF, of course IDF never allowed in journalists to Gaza (to report freely)

Unfortunately, there is a part of the Muslim community in the U.K. that is extremely antisemitic. This predates the current crisis in Palestine - these people openly celebrated October 7th and do their best to minimise it. The size of the Muslim community means that this is still a significant number of people, particularly when you consider the relative size of the Jewish community. It’s not hard right nutters attacking the Jewish community.

None of this is to justify attacks on Muslim communities or blame all Muslims for this. Extreme Islam is embedded in the U.K. and there is a denial of it - we already fail to proscribe certain terror sponsor groups that are banned in the US and Europe. This hurts ordinary Muslims too, as our current Home Secretary has tried to make clear.

Sadly it's been happening throughout recorded history, Jewish people have often been persecuted. No, it isn't right, but as @Naturalgeographic says Netanyahu isn't helping, he's trashing the international image of current generations of Israelis. War criminals tend to have that effect.
I've never understood the hatred of Jews myself, though since many Jewish people are successful, grounded and with strong family lives, some of it is possibly down to envy. Many of my mother's generation, born in the 1920's, continued to dislike Jews all their lives despite the holicaust, which is completely incomprehensible to me.
Obviously the current violence against them is largely due to reaction against Netanyahu's actions.

There is a 'fucking genocide' happening in multiple countries, right this second.

Why do you think you are ignorant of,or just don't care or talk about any of the other ones?

The man responsible for these latest attacks came legally from Somalia in the 1990s. It’s not a popular idea, but I think we need to think very carefully about whether it is safe for our own people to continue importing men from war-torn regions, from cultures that have been habituated to high levels of violence.

It has been shown time and time again that when one of these men gets hold of a blade and goes loco, there’s very little that ordinary people just going about their lives can do to save themselves. Just look what happened in Southport. Our society is simply not set up to cope with such levels of violence.

Of course we want to help refugees if we can but not at the expense of the lives of our own people.

I quoted just one girl as an example, there were many more in the interview wanting death to all Palestinians, it was truly shocking. The young girl was approximately 12 years old, makes me wonder where and why there is this hatred coming from within their country, it’s worrying 🤷‍♀️

Which country and what has it got to do with British Jews?

I do care, but when anyone dares to comment on this particular genocide we are called out for it for some reason?

No it isn't. The violence is 100% because of antisemitism. Only an antisemite would attack a British Jew because they dont like Netanyahu.

Have you missed the hundreds of threads criticising Israel over the past couple of years?

This is not true. There is evidence and it has been reported. There is also the evidence of the hostages who have reported that they were taken in and out of tunnels through hospitals.

@SharonEllisJust to say I’m not ignoring you. I just don’t think there’s any point continuing when you clearly think I am not posting in good faith. There are too many similar interactions and they get nowhere.

Good to know!

To all the people saying, ' but the ME is the explanation for the murder of British Jews but not the justification.

Its funny how we don't have to provide an explanation for the murder of Russians in Britain, despite the war there. Or indeed a explanation for the murder of any ethnic group by another ethnic group who are being persecuted or in a war zone in another country in another part of the world.

Its only Jews who are being murdered for a conflict thousands of miles away. And only for these racist crime where people on the political left solemnly find 'explanations' in that conflict. Which is also notable as I haven't really noticed such people solemnly finding ' explanations' for other forms of, much milder, racism. They just outright condemn it.

The anti-Semitism in all of this is blatant and truly repellent.

And I don’t vote for any party that is obviously antisemitic or racist towards any minority group in the UK.

I’m sure lots of people say lots of things. Perhaps in her case the hatred was coming from the fact that the war was started by peace loving Palestinians who crossed the border to rape, burn, take hostage of civilians who were then paraded around Gaza as a trophy for all the other peace loving Palestinians to enjoy? Just thinking of reasons.

This did make me laugh in a humourless kind of way. Are you actually saying that people are criticised for protesting for Palestine? Have you not noticed the weekly marches in London complete with anti-semitic and anti-west hate signs which the police allow?

Have you not noticed that complaining about the continuence of these marches gets you put in the 'far right' club?

Because idiots link the Jewish religion with the actions of Israel, and think ordinary normal Jewish people are responsible.

Almost 30 countries do not recognise Israel as a country, most of those are Islamic countries. People from those countries have been brought up to see Israel as a fake country.

You also have the far left who are historically anti-Israel. And most of these people haven’t a clue what they’re actually talking about.

If that’s what you want to tell yourself crack on deary. Attacking me like this doesn’t help anyone understand the situation. There’s good and bad in every country, I’m commenting on what I’ve seen and heard with my own eyes on news reports. I don’t have social media so don’t have access to the right wing propaganda. If you believe it isn’t a genocide you are delusional.

Netanyahu is wanted for war crimes, but the fucking idiot Trump welcomes him into the White House. Two narcissists together!

About this 'whataboutery' accusation which I've often received on here...
Hatred of Jewish people needs to be put into a global context to be understood- why these feelings about this tribe rather than that tribe etc- so I can't worry about whether or not its whataboutery... I guess it is... but whataboutery is relevant to this question. How else are we to compare treatment of different tribes / ethnicities / races if not asking whatabout...?

I'm really interested in this part of your post-

"some consider Israel to be part of Europe and so hold them to a higher standard of conduct than they would, say, democratic republic of Congo or Sudan. It’s a form of quiet racism but not anti-semitism."

And this-

"a tiny, tiny minority (none of whom I have personal experience of) may be anti-Semitic. I honestly don’t think this is a big factor - the vast, vast majority of these people are committed anti-racists."

I believe it's because they are such commited anti racists that they are unable to see the Jewish logs in their own eyes when discussing racism / antisemitism. Antisemitism IS racism. The othering of both Africans by holding them to a lower standard and othering Israelis by holding them to a higher standard are both clear examples of racism. All peoples should be held to the same standard, and we need to use whataboutery to place these peoples / conflicts into their true, global context.

It’s the biggest irony of all. Left wing values have absolutely nothing in common with Islam.

'random citizens are paying the price for Bibi’s crimes. Israel shouldn’t have gone unchecked for so long, but here we are'.

This.