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Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

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VillaDiodati · 02/10/2025 11:31

Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

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PropertyD · 02/10/2025 17:18

vsign · 02/10/2025 17:13

Pretty disturbing that there are people from the community slowly walking by while a person bleeds on the ground.

If you are referring to the two elderly people behaving that they were just on a day out, come on Frank. Back in the car - time to go home. He then wanders off but the female was still trying to get him into a car. Its most strange.

Neither of them seemed to realise what was going on? The man I think was confused/dementia. The women just seemed quite chilled (whilst there was a dead body beside them!)

vsign · 02/10/2025 17:21

PropertyD · 02/10/2025 17:18

If you are referring to the two elderly people behaving that they were just on a day out, come on Frank. Back in the car - time to go home. He then wanders off but the female was still trying to get him into a car. Its most strange.

Neither of them seemed to realise what was going on? The man I think was confused/dementia. The women just seemed quite chilled (whilst there was a dead body beside them!)

Yes they were so casual that I felt they must have possibly not realised what was going on. One seemed to nearly step on the person.

freshpyjamas · 02/10/2025 17:21

LunaDeBallona · 02/10/2025 17:15

It’s actually 43,000 people on the MI5 terror watchlist - so just shy of 39,000 Islamists we are paying billions to watch and try to keep Britain safe from their hatred of us and especially Jews.
Somewhere we have gone very very wrong in the UK.

Im flicking through the news channels with tears pouring down my face - I’m devastated for British Jews and for the future of our country.

I feel the same as you.

43,000 on the terror watchlist in the UK.

Terrifying.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:24

SidewaysOtter · 02/10/2025 16:59

Isn't "this isn't the time for political point scoring" the line used by the NRA when there's been another slaughter of children in a hail of bullets, and they want to distract anyone using this as a reason to limit gun ownership?

Nothing to see here, move along until it's faded from the front pages and then we hope you'll have long since forgotten about it all.

I am trying to decide whether people on this thread who are trying to brush this under the carpet together with things like the pro Hamas marches are actually naive as to the consequences of going on the marches and waving Palestinian flags or are consciously anti semetic

PropertyD · 02/10/2025 17:24

How on earth would you not know what was going on, police officers with guns, someone lying on the floor. Officers shouting.

Quite honestly if they didnt know what was going on what are they doing driving a car with that level of awareness.

BloominNora · 02/10/2025 17:25

SidewaysOtter · 02/10/2025 16:43

@BloominNora I agree that we need less division. But it should be acknowledged what tacit support or even silence can mean.

I'd say I'm a lefty but I also acknowledge that some parts of the political left* seem in thrall to Islam, even its radical and violent factions, and have assigned the tag of 'victim' to any Muslim regardless of a) whether they want that tag or b) whatever they've done - see the Rochdale grooming gangs where they were untouchable for such a long time for fear of being called racist or Islamaphobic.

By the time you add in a cohort on the political left who see Jews as inherently capitalist because of historic associations with banking etc, I would say it isn't correct to say that the political left shouldn't be having a long hard look at itself. Hierarchies of victimhood and class warfare should not trump common humanity.

(I use the term "political left" here to differentiate between those who are actively involved in hard left-wing politics and campaigning, and those who are left-leaning - I'm not sure that's the best explanation but I hope you see what I mean!)

I understand what you're saying and I largely agree with the sentiment.

I think, however, political left is the wrong term when what is being referred to is the fringes and not the mainstay.

The group you talk about in your second paragraph I would call the extreme or ultra left, just as I would call Farage and his bunch extreme right and the likes of Netanyahu ultra zionist.

Political left sounds like you are talking about the people in the Labour party, SNP, Greens, Lib Dems - and we should acknowledge that the current politically left government have designated Free Palestine as a terrorist organisation and continued to send arms to Israel - so to say that they support anti-semitism wreaks of cognitive dissonance.

The grooming gangs in Rochdale were horrendous and the lack of action for fear of being seen as racist cost many young women and girls dearly.

However, I know people who work in the public services up there and it didn't come from being enthralled with muslims or seeing them as victims, it came from a genuine desire to not be prejudice. It was obviously the wrong way to have gone about things and they have learned a lot and are making positive changes that are good for both communities as a result.

I don't believe they had the same motivation that the extreme left have, which in reality, has absolutely nothing to do with seeing Muslims as victims and everything to do with being antisemitic. For those people, Muslims are a useful front and the marches are something to hijack in order to harras and intimidate and it should absolutely be called out.

So if marches were stopped, how can people who want to protest the needless death and destruction in Gaza and ongoing land grabs in the West Bank and our governments role in it, how can they do that in a way that won't get hijacked by the extreme left and get them labelled as antisemitic?

Because, as you rightly point out, tacit support and silence can be just as damaging.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:27

freshpyjamas · 02/10/2025 17:21

I feel the same as you.

43,000 on the terror watchlist in the UK.

Terrifying.

And letting people in who we have no idea whether they should be on watch lists or not and sticking them in hotels in the middle of our communities.surely anyone arriving undocumented on these shores should be detained and kept apart from society until we have ascertained they are no risk.

vsign · 02/10/2025 17:41

Well this is just turning into an anti immigrant thread now

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/10/2025 17:42

25milesfromhome · 02/10/2025 17:01

We're not pets.

Of course not, you are humans that we have many things in common with and all wish to live in peace, as do we in this country.

SerendipityJane · 02/10/2025 17:43

43,000 on the terror watchlist in the UK.

Which might mean more that what the authorities consider a terrorist and what you might think they do are not in complete alignment.

Also, given the track record of our security services, we don't know how up to date that figure may be.

Jujujudo · 02/10/2025 17:44

vsign · 02/10/2025 17:17

Is this really the time or place for such dog whistles? Is Israel ever marching on behalf of anyone else? Maybe it's time to shut the computer for today.

Jews are and do. Look it up.

AintNoSunshineWhenShesGone · 02/10/2025 17:46

Shocking news. I can’t believe how awful this country has become. Also heard today that some doctors in the NHS don’t want to treat Jews. It’s absolutely appalling.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/doctor-jewish-supremacy-rahmeh-aladwan-gmc-mpts-i4xxbxxt

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/nhs-doctor-who-denied-holocaust-keeps-job/

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MrsEmmelineLucas · 02/10/2025 17:48

AintNoSunshineWhenShesGone · 02/10/2025 17:46

Shocking news. I can’t believe how awful this country has become. Also heard today that some doctors in the NHS don’t want to treat Jews. It’s absolutely appalling.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/doctor-jewish-supremacy-rahmeh-aladwan-gmc-mpts-i4xxbxxt

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/nhs-doctor-who-denied-holocaust-keeps-job/

What?! How can they have such extremist views and not be struck off?

clipboardz · 02/10/2025 17:48

That's appalling

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/10/2025 17:49

LunaDeBallona · 02/10/2025 17:15

It’s actually 43,000 people on the MI5 terror watchlist - so just shy of 39,000 Islamists we are paying billions to watch and try to keep Britain safe from their hatred of us and especially Jews.
Somewhere we have gone very very wrong in the UK.

Im flicking through the news channels with tears pouring down my face - I’m devastated for British Jews and for the future of our country.

That’s really scary.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:53

vsign · 02/10/2025 17:41

Well this is just turning into an anti immigrant thread now

I’m sorry if you find this point uncomfortable but it’s an important point. We are letting in thousands each week- people we have zero idea who they are. People from countries where Islamic extremism is actually the states ideology. Until we know who these people are and can ensure they are no threat to the UK it’s common sense to ensure they are kept apart so they don’t pose a risk. Would you invite a random homeless person into your house without doing any back ground checks?

PropertyD · 02/10/2025 17:55

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:53

I’m sorry if you find this point uncomfortable but it’s an important point. We are letting in thousands each week- people we have zero idea who they are. People from countries where Islamic extremism is actually the states ideology. Until we know who these people are and can ensure they are no threat to the UK it’s common sense to ensure they are kept apart so they don’t pose a risk. Would you invite a random homeless person into your house without doing any back ground checks?

Here here. We cannot keep closing this conversation down.

Allowing young men with no ID pretending they are who exactly? What could possibly go wrong??

hamstersarse · 02/10/2025 17:55

I think people are becoming immune to the accusations of racism

It is an objective fact that jihadism is a death cult, and we seem to be unable to say it out loud.

ViolaPlains · 02/10/2025 17:56

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:24

I am trying to decide whether people on this thread who are trying to brush this under the carpet together with things like the pro Hamas marches are actually naive as to the consequences of going on the marches and waving Palestinian flags or are consciously anti semetic

I’m going with consciously antisemitic.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/10/2025 17:57

AintNoSunshineWhenShesGone · 02/10/2025 17:46

Shocking news. I can’t believe how awful this country has become. Also heard today that some doctors in the NHS don’t want to treat Jews. It’s absolutely appalling.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/doctor-jewish-supremacy-rahmeh-aladwan-gmc-mpts-i4xxbxxt

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/26/nhs-doctor-who-denied-holocaust-keeps-job/

What the fuck.Why are they even employed by the NHS.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 17:57

MrsEmmelineLucas · 02/10/2025 17:48

What?! How can they have such extremist views and not be struck off?

Because there is anti semitism running like a cancer through society, growing silently, feeding off the bad habits of society people sticking their heads in the sand not wanting to acknowledge then suddenly the symptoms appear and it’s too late!

miraxxx · 02/10/2025 18:01

MrsEmmelineLucas · 02/10/2025 17:48

What?! How can they have such extremist views and not be struck off?

You now have NHS doctors who go off mid surgery for a quickie and those accused of raping colleagues NOT struck off. The professional regulatory bodies have pretty low standards.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 18:01

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/10/2025 17:57

What the fuck.Why are they even employed by the NHS.

Because some twonk would screech islamaphobia if she was sacked

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/10/2025 18:06

hamstersarse · 02/10/2025 17:55

I think people are becoming immune to the accusations of racism

It is an objective fact that jihadism is a death cult, and we seem to be unable to say it out loud.

Exactly this.
As well as being immune they are questioning the motives of those that keep repeating this as a means to silence concern.

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