Three members of Lucy Letby hospital senior leadership team arrested.

[MissJoGrant]

Story here:

I listened agape at the Enquiry and formed the opinion that two people should have been charged with corporate manslaughter for not acting properly.
And I remain convinced that woman (LL) is guilty.

It raises even more questions about whether Letby committed any crimes in the first place, or whether or not she was scapegoated.

I can't say that I am surprised. I'm only surprised that it has taken so long.

Whatever the truth, I’m glad people are pushing further into what really happened.

Det Supt Paul Hughes said the corporate manslaughter element of the investigation focused on the senior leadership of the hospital and its decision-making, "to determine whether any criminality has taken place concerning the response to the increased levels of fatalities".
He said gross negligence manslaughter was a separate offence and "focuses on the grossly negligent action or inaction of individuals"

So there are two things then.

Corporate manslaughter: Is there any criminality around increasing deaths?

Gross negligence manslaughter: 3 specific people accused of inaction when deaths increased.

I'm disappointed then that, as usual, nothing continues to happen about the entire set up in this department of the hospital. That was criminal in itself.

It’s a never ending ordeal for the parents.

Good. I see that the investigation into further murders is still ongoing too, it says in the same articles.

Wowsers, that's a shock

Not for me

I don't understand how she was convicted.

My heart breaks for the parents.

But it's important the full truth is uncovered, so that lessons can be learnt and changes made

This in no way indicates that Lucy Letby is innocent or scapegoated.

They have been arrested for gross negligence manslaughter which will be something along the lines of they should have taken action when the death rates were rising, or when suspicions about LL were raised to them and they allowed her to continue working, and they could potentially have prevented some of the later deaths/murders

How can they do this without admitting that the current murder conviction is unsafe?

Because presumably the people who have been arrested allegedly could have done something to stop her earlier. They should have been aware of the increased deaths or they failed to act or something.

Allowing a murderer to run rampant on the wards is kinda negligent, don't you think?

That article reads to me likes she’s innocent? A panel have cleared the notion of the babies being injected? Surely that suggests she’s innocent, or am I being really thick and missing something?

I don't know what you mean by this? There are loads of clinical managers (clinicians who also manage) in the NHS

Good news, why didn't they stop her sooner. Also I see that the police are still looking into further murder/manslaughter cases.

I must admit, it seemed as though senior management HAD tried to raise the alarm, with independent reviews etc. I wonder what more should have happened.

It is a warning This news will travel like wildfire through the NHS. One hopes it will make other managers and senior staff take notice.
Maternity Departments next perhaps?

Can it be construed as a warning about the consequences of ignoring Investigations and Coroners Recommendations. All those platitudes about 'we will learn lessons'.

“The panel said there was no evidence to support air injection into the stomach and the child deteriorated because he had early symptoms of a serious gastrointestinal problem, or sepsis.”

Are people not reading the bit where a doctor didn't had over a memo which showed an entirely different set of events from the events they claimed happened in court?
That's perjury

We don't need to know their names, they were hardly likely to be present at the time of the deaths.

I believe senior doctors asked for her to be removed, but the executives/directors pushed back and some Drs were silenced or even told to apologise to her, requests to involve the police were denied.

So while it may have appeared they were doing something, they were still denying and delaying acting on urgent warning signs.

Will be interesting if it will be the Drs who never contacted the police directly when executives did nothing and/or the executives that have been arrested.

Glad more people are being help accountable to find out where the failings were and why she was not stopped sooner. One day it could be someone we love in a vulnerable position not being protected the way they should.

I think it really muddies the water about her conviction . It may be a case we will never know what truly happened.

Yeah this doesn’t mean she has been scapegoated and she is still guilty of murdering those babies. This just means that there were probably systematic failings and someone should be held responsible for those if it meant she could have been stopped.

And also the trauma of the parents. Imagine being told she murdered your baby, attending trial, the upset and anguish involved in all of that ……… if to then find out your baby actually died of natural causes. How do you deal with that?!