Three members of Lucy Letby hospital senior leadership team arrested.

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Or, perhaps, that there were other failures at play that could have been stopped sooner.

All scenarios can be true to an extent - some of the babies might have been murdered, some of them might have received preventably poor care, etc.

Awful for the parents, and all down to the appalling standards of maternity standards in this country.

A senior doctor at her trial lied in court.

And I would very much hope that this extremely serious allegation, that would appear to be backed up by prima facie evidence, is thoroughly explored.

Indeed it has to be, to put everyone's mind at rest, no matters what people's feelings and views are right now?

I disagree with this completely.

It could reinforce her conviction.

It really doesn’t

If Letby IS innocent (and there is increasing evidence to suggest she is), don’t you think that the families deserve the truth?

Or is this mob mentality, the baying “she’s guilty” sector, not think it matters?

If she is not guilty, how the hell is justice going to be reached? We owe everyone a thorough investigation into what happened so that we stand a chance of truly being able to state that this will not happen again. Otherwise what’s the point?

In the last two years of my mum's life so many NHS staff lied to cover up the appalling treatment she was receiving at their hands. She had me advocating for her which must have pissed them off hugely as I complained, then I had to listen to their lies as they absolved themselves of any blame or responsibility for what they were doing.

The entire organisation needs blasting apart.

At one of the hospitals where staff treated her badly, the maternity dept had been under investigation for excess deaths, and supposedly lessons were learned. I think one or two nurses were struck off, one I remember was prosecuted for not doing things she should have done, resulting in the deaths of babies. The whole NHS is toxic.

It concerns me that if they prosecute them for failing to stop her it just strengthens the narrative that she is guilty as there will be others charged with offences related to her supposed guilt ?

I mean - you don’t think it is far more likely to show that the evidence very much shows she did it and wasn’t stopped?

Its a possibility yes.

I'm so sorry for your mum. In my experience (and others), the more you advocate the worst they treat you, and if you do an official complaint, it gets even worse.

Intuitions like the NHS should absolutely not be allowed to be investigate themselves. It's like letting students mark their own exams.

as one of those "manager into clinician"s" I can assure you that I and my colleagues were neither shit clinicians nor shit managers.

I believe LL is innocent but I don’t believe this is the good news some posters think it is.

My first thought was wondering how many more lives are going to be destroyed over murders that didn’t happen.

The BBC are not impartial when it comes to Letby either.

It’s about to get worse

ICBs are being cut
HSSIB is being abolished

It is about to get very, very difficult

Not at all the experts who looked at the case
made a lot of points that I think mean she is innocent.

Exactly. This investigation rests on the fact she has been found guilty of murder. It doesn’t negate the findings of the jury and the judgement. It is because she is guilty that they are investigating people who may or may not have been able to act sooner.

If this investigation leads to charges and a conviction it solidifies the murder conviction because it says murders could have been prevented. That a killer could have been stopped.

One could almost say there is an agenda here.

The point is they acted to try and cover up the issue not address it

This is the NHS's MO.

If all NHS staff who are culpable for anything were prosecuted, it'd clog up the justice system for decades.

Clearly lives being ruined or lost isn't motivation enough for medical professional to you know, do the job they are paid to do. Perhaps the threat of prison would do the trick.

And you know more than the judge and court of appeal of course. Do you think the Supreme Court got women being women wrong too?

I was going to ask about this. If they are convicted and then Lucy has a retrial and is found not guilty (this is purely for speculation purposes) what would happen with their convictions in turn? If she’s not killed any of these babies then how could they have stopped her?

The arrests are related to LL guilt, and managers improper handling of concerns of other staff and not taking the correct steps. LL is still guilty.

Yes I have been wondering the same thing.

My mum had me, so it was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. But thank you. I felt sorry for the elderly people with no one to advocate.

And yes, dare to question anything and you get their full might against you. It's endemic.

There are so many lying little arse covering twats in the nhs

Just because they usually get it right doesn’t mean they never get it wrong.