Three members of Lucy Letby hospital senior leadership team arrested.

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Not suprised, I knew it that the hospital was negligent and used her as a scapegoat. But if you dared to say that on mumsnet you would get told you just "don't want to believe a blonde white woman could kill babies". Ridiculous.

People are being held accountable for not stopping her sooner. This has nothing to do the validity of her conviction.

I'm not surprised to see this news. The fact that her case has grumbled on for so long means other things were being deliberately hidden. Most cases of murder tend to fall out of news streams once the court case is over but hers never did. There will be more relevations as they try to save their own skins.

This doesn’t suggest she is innocent - just the managers failed to act on what others suspected she was doing.

Nurses though

It's fascinating reading this and seeing how few people understand the developments in this case

Private Eye is illuminating.

A lot of people on this thread do seem to be jumping to the conclusion that this means she's a scapegoat.

they haven’t found that she was innocent!! Jsut that she should have been stopped sooner

Even if the case is a separate issue from Lucy Letby’s trial and conviction, it could still throw up new information that could be useful to her legal team. It will certainly be very interesting. Guilty or not, Lucy Letby should not be the only one carrying the can for these tragic deaths.

this in no way clears her or the crimes-this is separate

I've seen nurses often go up the greasy pole into senior management and be totally incompetent, but gross negligence manslaughter is another level entirely. Good that they've been arrested anyway.

Your post makes zero sense - they are still managers. It doesn't matter if that path was from a clinical route, or a graduate route, or working their way up internally - they were managers, and shit at it. Dangerously so.

Fully agree with this - this is part of a wider issue of systemic failures in UK maternity care.

It's such a difficult call isn't it - when bullying is a massive problem in the NHS (esp by senior doctors) - I would have thought that the independent review was the right thing to do. It's clinical care - what could the police have done? Let's face it, it's been through a massive public trial and loads of people still feel there isn't enough evidence.

Well I think there’s a lot of un answered questions

If she was responsible then someone should be responsible for not picking up on it sooner given the scale of what happened.

If she wasn't responsible then someone should be responsible for not picking up on what was happening sooner because of the scale of it.

The rate of incidents was abnormal and has been identified as abnormal. Thats the problem.

I repeatedly reported a doctor (when I was a nurse) who made at least daily errors. I was told to stop bullying and my incident reports were "lost".

I change my mind often about whether she is guilty or not, but I'm pleased to see that nhs managers will finally stop hiding behind clinicians for things like this.

I’m actually quite angry about this tbh. More so than I thought I would be

The people at the heart of this - the babies, their parents, their families - have been done an enormous disservice. Whether Letby is guilty or not guilty, there were massive, fundamental failures in the service. Huge, catastrophic problems that occurred even without Letby’s involvement

I just pray that this is concluded swiftly and completely, and that some of the horror that they continue to face is reduced somehow

"The panel" are a group of experts unrelated to the case that Lucy Letby's defence have asked to review the medical notes. Their findings are not necessarily an indication of innocence and are not unbiased in my opinion (the person who formed the panel claimed none of them were familiar with the case before they reviewed the medical notes, which seems unlikely...). And also have no legal standing in their own right.

Good start. Where should it stop though?

Does the investigation’s powers reach up to the politicians who have forced managers to cope in extremely straitened circumstances? Or the media, who whine about the cost and un productivity of all admin and redundancy devices, and indeed the public sector in general? If you’re looking for blame about why no one has power or resources in the public sector any more, or why so much goes into bullying low level staff to do more with lower safety, that’s where you need to look.

We’ve all been let down by right wing neoliberal rhetoric for so long.

I think OP has captured the wrong article. The memo one is from April. The current article about negligence is the one from the BBC in another post.

However, I do wonder what, if anything, is happening about that memo and doctor.

They've made a separate statement saying it's not affecting her case. It's more a case of babies kept dying and managers didn't look into why/who.

A panel recruited by the defence have cleared the notion. That doesn't mean she's innocent or that their findings will have any bearing on her conviction.

It is difficult, the problem was the scope of the external reviews are usually limited to processes/systems they do not investigate whether individuals are murdering babies.

I second this. It’s a warning and it’s about time. The NHS can be brillant and is full of people who do an excellent job. It’s also got people in it who deliberately cover up issues and often make whistle blowers scapegoats. Hopefully this is the start of them being held accountable.