Grandma responsible for death of 2nd Grandchild

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https://www.wdhn.com/news/florida-grandmother-who-left-infant-in-hot-car-found-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/

I'm just watching this trial on YouTube and thought I'd look it up properly. This child, Uriel, was 7 months old and she left her in a hot car. Previously, she was looking after a toddler grandchild (same daughter's child) who slipped away while she was asleep and drowned.

I'm just gobsmacked.

You sound insufferable. Im not sure 'reaction top trumps' means anything does it?

The world has gone mad.

OMG what a horrifying story. Why on earth did she let her look after her 2nd child after her first child died in her care? Doesn’t make sense!!

‘Insufferable’ is such a MN-specific insult; one that’s never actually been directed at me before, so that’s a first! I would assume that people agreeing with a comment mean that… well, they agree with it.

I'm amazed she actually said yes to looking after the younger child. If I had been responsible for the demise of one child I would just say no to ever looking after a child ever again.

Feel very, very sorry for the parents (though I think their judgement may have been not the best).

This. After the first child they’d be going nowhere near my 2nd unsupervised.

I think it's more sickening, ghoulish and inappropriate to have shared the ferry story, than to have made a ill-thought joke to cope with a traumatic story.

A few thoughts:

Caring, loving and responsible parents often leave their kids in cars. Doesn't mean they deserve to go to prison.

If we put every parent in prison who makes a genuine mistake don't we risk putting mothers in prison while the fathers who skive off childcare altogether (leaving the mums with too much on their plates) get off scot free.

Any parent or grandparent who accidentally kills their child is punished enough, going to prison won't make thier punishment much worse.

That's a shocking story and one where so much should have been done to prevent this tragedy.
Feckless chaotic family, appalling treatment of a fighting breed dog who could not trust his most ''important'' person not to beat him up to make him more aggressive, Previous bites to people {why wasn't the dog humanely PTS after first bite, or removed from the violent uncle, assuming it was a banned breed?

Add fireworks which will raise the anxiety level of the dog, and then it fatally attacked an innocent child.

The child's mother probably believed the ''Nanny dog'' myth, that Pits are child friendly.
Colby's Pits {breeder in USA} killed his own nephew, and another man.

I don’t think sharing a similar story is the same as joking in the face of tragedy, but appreciate that everyone has a different viewpoint on it. What about it bothers you? Or is it the thread as a whole, discussing it?

There is a long Washington Post article about forgotten babies in cars. It is not an easy read. But worthwhile for anyone who thinks it could never happen to them.

www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

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Terribly sad. If it were me I'd be wanting to go too. Why should I live my waning years when my grandbaby is dead because of me, yada yada. I can just imagine the self torture.

In an ideal scenario the entire family would have counselling together and apart, but that would require herculean levels of tolerance and forgiveness.

Changing subject, I personally can actually see how a child can inadvertently be left in a if the routine changes and it's unusual to have the child.

When I had my first baby I was used to being single. Several days after giving birth, I left the buggy with my baby in the clothes shop and walked out. Went into another store before my brain caught up and I went running like a crazy woman back to the first shop. Thankfully no one had even noticed and he was there asleep in the pram.

They drive virtually everywhere in the US it's one the major things I don't like about it. It's not structured for local walking. Driving is walking there.

So you put the baby in the back. Baby falls asleep, is silent. You don't usually have the child, you go into the store or restaurant and forget....

*left in a car

Twice?

Bloody hell. The deaths weren't even a year apart. If your first baby grandchild died on your watch because you didn't secure your house before you went to sleep, would you not be super paranoid and vigilant any time you looked after a child again?? If that was me, that second baby would not be out of my sight. That's if I could even bring myself to look after another child again.

I just think it's quite gross to have a thread where everyone comes and shares their gruesome child death stories.

Quite a lot more disturbing than a barely offensive joke about Christmas dinner.

I’ve known one grandma personally who had a toddler drown on her watch. It’s so very sad.

Leaving a toddler in a car is clearly negligent, but I suppose in an almost infinite sample of people round the world, some people will lose two children in separate accidents, tragically.

How awful. I have a real fear for small children around water - I would never have a pool/pond no matter how child proofed they are meant to be. I think I read about 3 accidental drownings in quite quick succession some years ago and it really put me off ponds/pools forever.

What?! That sounds like murder for both.

Maybe she'd 'proven' herself perfectly capable of looking after grandchildren by another child a golden one ?

Me too.
Even small garden ponds can be dangerous.
Pools are completely risky, and people who live in places that have pools as standard would probably be wise to teach their baby to swim at the earliest opportunity.

There are so many layers to this.

But babies in hot cars is the one I’ll address because I grew up in one of those swelteringly hot US states where this is a significant issue. There are of course stories of gross negligence that lead to babies and children dying in hot cars but there are also plenty of dedicated, loving parents who have forgotten a baby in a car however briefly. It usually happens when routine is broken so baby is with the caregiver somewhere they would not normally be and baby is asleep and silent. Ex a mum’s routine is to go to the store for groceries alone every Sunday while Dad watches the children, but one weekend the older child has an event so unusually the mum takes baby with her. She drives 15 minutes, eventually finds a parking spot, and has mentally added 3 items to her list she’s trying not to forget. At this point she’s in her usual Sunday solo-trip flow, except there’s a baby sleeping in the back seat. She grabs her wallet, her phone, her reusable bags and walks in as usual with her brain trying to remember how old the apples are at home. 3 minutes later she walks past the nappy aisle and panics. And of course at that stage of life sleep deprivation and stress are often involved. If you’ve ever been momentarily startled by a baby or child in the rear seat because they were silent for a long stretch and your mind was on driving & other thoughts it’s an extension of that.

I had a few warnings from older relatives (the type of parents you would never remotely think of as negligent or careless) who had had scares so my habit even living in the UK was to always leave my bag (and phone) where I had to open the rear door (and look at the rear seat) when getting in & out of the car.

@treesandsun and yet I’ve raised 5 children and 8 grandchildren around swimming pools in the garden and no one has come to any harm.

My friends tragedy is the only one I know of personally.

I’ve been wondering about this case on and off since I first read about it. It’s very disturbing and there are so many questions.
If someone’s child had died in my care I would never ever be babysitting again. I would not trust myself and to be honest, I wouldn’t even want to live. I honestly don’t understand how it’s possible to forget that you’re in charge of a child.
Everyone around grandma knew about the death of the older child. Why was no one supervising or at least checking in regularly. Why wasn’t the daughter or son in law ringing or texting for updates every 15 minutes? The husband was at home, why didn’t he ask where the child was?
Those poor kids, it feels like grandma was out to get them (I don’t but that the deaths were accidental, especially the second one) and no one was really looking out for them.
Finally, why is the husband called Nun Ney Nix?