Grandma responsible for death of 2nd Grandchild

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https://www.wdhn.com/news/florida-grandmother-who-left-infant-in-hot-car-found-not-guilty-of-manslaughter/

I'm just watching this trial on YouTube and thought I'd look it up properly. This child, Uriel, was 7 months old and she left her in a hot car. Previously, she was looking after a toddler grandchild (same daughter's child) who slipped away while she was asleep and drowned.

I'm just gobsmacked.

I didnt read it as a joke. Surely part of the question is why on earth the mother left the other child with her mum again.

No way !!!

I watched that trial on YouTube and the jury weren't allowed to know about the first death, a lot of people are calling the daughter an idiot for leaving another child with her mother especially after what happened before

I imagine the jury are horrified.

The parents learned after this tragedy that the police had wanted to charge over their first child’s death.

They are disappointed that she didn’t get convicted of manslaughter.

How desperately sad. I wonder if they’d have made different choices if they’d known the police’s intentions over the first loss?

Yeah i didn't understand initially why she emphasised the GM would be with company she knew and trusted because I don't think she was allowed to mention the other child in this trial.

I watched part of the trial, I think she should have been found guilty.

Same. I don’t get it. At the very least you’d assume your mum was no longer capable of taking care of the kids and find alternatives.

The odds of being so unlucky and accidentally neglectful twice makes me wonder if these are really accudents.

I remember that- so tragic, I don’t think the family blamed the grandparent. I often wonder what the outcome of that tragic incident was- did he go to prison?

Hear hear!

I don’t think it’s a joke. I certainly didn’t read it as such. It’s more questioning the future family relationships and dynamics - what does forgiveness look like for example. Would you blame yourself for trusting your mother again after the first tragedy.

I watched the footage and it was dodgy as hell

Wth. They won't be having family dinners. Their family is annihilated

I loved my Mum but if she'd ever let one of my DCs die I honestly don't think I could get over that. Even if I understood it was an accident I still couldn't leave her in charge of another DC.

I have to say I've wondered the same.

You see, I've definitely napped with one of the kids and not realised they've woken up until they've done something noisy twice (different kids, years apart). In theory, they could have gone and done something that would have killed them. That's why I have some understanding of how the mum might have really seen it as a tragic accident that could have happened to anyone.

However, I can't understand why that event wouldn't leave you with such a high level of anxiety when you do have charge of kids because the worst really did happen. It changed me when the worst didn't but just could have. I don't understand how the grandma could be in that position again.

The U.S. has a serious issue with children being left in hot cars. There’s been a lot of talk over new cars being fitted with reminders that will sound if a child’s weight is not removed from the back seat once the car is turned off (my U.S. car actually reminds me to take my phone!! So an alarm for check the back seat weight still detected kind of thing).

I cannot imagine how those poor parents must feel. My mother is disabled and so never left alone with my toddler and baby bcause I know realistically that presents risks (she couldn’t chase my toddler if he got out the house for example, she would struggle to life them if a dog was loose, if they pulled something down she would be slower to get to them). I am astounded they trusted her after their first child died.

This. I'd really struggle to leave any child in her care.

As for the cruise one that to me seemed like an arrogant, ignorant buffoon of a man who made a grave error that cost his innocent grandchild her life. I could never speak to him again. WTF anyone would life a child up to an open window that high up?! Point of window being we can see out anyway 😭 just so pointless and unnecessary! I’d hate him fully if it was my Dad or FIL. I can see how a child getting out and accidentally drowning may be easier to rationalize?! But I’d still never ever trust that person again and the relationship would be forever damaged.

At what point are parents deemed responsible when they make a decision to leave someone in charge of their child, who has already shown that they can't be trusted?

I asked this when Ellie Lawrenson was killed by her Uncles pitbull.

In that case, the child was left with Grandma who lived with Uncle, and was at the time in charge of the dog.

The dog had had complaints about its behaviour made before. It had attacked another child resulting in a leg injury/stitched wound. It was known to be aggressive, and the Uncle owned it with the intention that it be aggressive...the dog was 'trained' by being kicked and beaten by his owner.

The parents knew the dog was there, knew that Grandma was a drug user. They insisted the dog be shut out whilst the child was there as they were aware of prior incidents and complaints, and the dogs general nature and the reason it had been purchased, but it was new years eve and the dog was scared of fireworks so Grandma let him in.

Ellies parents did not, in my opinion, behave responsibly in leaving their child in the care of this person, but they were not charged with anything. Grandma was found not guilty of manslaughter, despite having drunk two bottles of wine that night and smoked 'up to' ten joints, in the period she was looking after Ellie.

The only penalty anyone received in this case was the dogs owner, who did a few weeks for owning a dangerous dog.

So what does it take for a legal system to decide the parents who chose to leave their child in an incompetent persons care, are also responsible for that childs death?

I recall the Chinese grandma who was carrying a baby in a blanket and some other bits and bobs and went on a big downwards escalator and as she got on the escalator she twisted around quickly the baby slipped out of the blanket and flew over the side of the very high escalator and was killed in front of her DD who was holding the hands of 2 of the other DC. Just horrific.

Good grief that poor little girl didn’t stand a chance with a family and decision making like that did she. I won’t even employ babysitters that have dogs in the home, my mother’s dog is muzzled anytime my children visit and he stays outside away from them or in the kitchen behind a gate if the weather is cold. (He is a rescue and unpredictable)

I think they sometimes think it isn't in the public interests and they've suffered enough.

Thats not the same thing at all. Why do you recall that?

Time and place for jokes, this really isn't it

I thought the same thing. Even if the first death was an unfortunate accident, a normal person would be hypervigilant when caring for a second child, wouldn't they? Either it wasn't an accident or gm has early dementia and is completely incapable of caring for a child or possibly even herself.