Sara’s killer dad fighting for his life after being attacked by other prisoners

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14245311/Sara-Sharifs-killer-father-neck-slashed-tuna-lid-prison-attack-fighting-life.html

Tbh, if you're talking about the death penalty, we've been there already, and it didn't work. Are you in America? It doesnt seem to work that well there either. Usually on death row for years whilst public funds are used to pay for multiple appeals. Some are moved from death penalty to life after all the appeals. And it has been proven that there isn't much of a difference between the amount of people convicted of murders between states who have the death penalty and those that don't so it is'nt acting as a deterent. After all, that's what the death penalty is supposed to be for isn't it? To lower crimes, and not for vengeance?

He’s not fighting for his life, he received medical care within the prison and is still in the facility, his face and neck were cut badly and he will be scarred for life.

Seriously? Are you quite ok? You think it was other child abusers? Righto.

It's Belmarsh. It has the most serious offenders in there. No one is going to be safe, they aren't petty criminals. None of them have high morals or a sense of justice.

I can't force myself to feel sad. That feels disrespectful to Sara.

It is nigh on impossible to keep every prisoner safe all of the time unless they are completely isolated. There were 290 incidents of this type between March 2023-March 2024 in HMP Belmarsh alone. The prison guards are regularly attacked and a high level of gang presence means prisoners attack each other. It is not a safe environment and it houses the very worst criminals in the maximum security areas. I agree prisoners should be kept safe wherever possible but this type of environment breeds violence and expecting guards to be able to stop violent criminals fighting is unrealistic and naive.
I struggle to feel any sympathy for the type of criminals housed in maximum security at HMPS.

I know, that was the daily fail headline

It tends to happen when you lock up a few hundred violent thugs with high psychopathy prevelance together. They turn on each other. Oh well.

At least they can't victimise innocent members of the public.

Sara's sperm donor won't find it an easy environment to live in, but I don't care.

It was the early headline. Before more info came out.

Yes, you would be right in your assumption, however, killers as evil as this always seem to make me question my stance on the death penalty and whether exceptions should be made.

It wouldn't be the first time I wasn't bothered about someone's death if he had died.

Exactly. I can't believe some on here are so enthralled by violent men attacking violent men. As if these criminals could care less about victims, it's all entertainment and kudos for them.

I wonder how Hindley and West got away without serious attacks. The opposite seemed true they were/are apparently top dogs and revered by other convicts. One was thumped I believe, not quite in the same league as this.

All those saying prisons should be violence free etc, have you ever considered working in prisons or the probation service? It is a very rewarding job and a chance to make that difference. Voluntary work is also available. The change has to start somewhere, maybe you can be the change you want to see in the world.

Indeed. 'Code of honour' it is quite bizarre that people really believe this. They are violent criminals and would probably batter their own Granny for a packet of fags and a sim card. That is how honourable they are.

West was attacked, I’m not sure about hindley, being female, but I’d assume so.

West was attacked, I’m not sure about hindley, being female, but I’d assume so.

Rose West, also female?

Gos sorry I was thinking Ian Brady doh.

its worth noting as yet, the female who helped kill, the step mum hasn’t been attacked yet, I think it’s less common with females.

Fred west killed himself before anyone could attack as he was on suicide watch and did it as soon as it was relaxed.

I agree @Moonshinebaby, better they attack each other. I don’t have any sympathy. I think it’s naive for people to believe that this type of violent offender can be protected in that type of environment. I do feel for the prison guards who will be blamed, they have a tough job.

I don’t care about the man but equally lawlessness and violence in prisons is not something we should be applauding either.

Thinking back to other cases, I’m slightly surprised and disappointed that there’s never been any reports of poor little Arthur Labinjo Hughes’ killers being attacked.

They were in the women's prison

Less likely to be violent criminals in there as women are predominantly behind bars for less violent crime (there are of course exceptions but statistically women's prisons are safer)

Yes this isn’t about hierarchy . It’s about gender.

You have no idea who they are or what they’ve done. They’re almost certainly murderers, likely wife beaters and rapists, they definitely aren’t upstanding members of society that’s for sure.

It's funny isn't it all the 'code of honour' posts when really it boils down to the fact that male prisons are just full of violent men who will use any excuse to attack someone. They don't care about victims in the slightest.

Around 25% of prisoners (in the USA) are psychopaths which means around 75% are not. Those who aren't obviously have very poor judgement, impulse control and morals but also are very likely to have grown up in poverty, in dysfunctional families and, yes, been abused.

Everyone likes to think well of themselves and one way prisoners try and regain some self-esteem is the "prison hierarchy" which is not something made up by mumsnetters but documented by many sociological studies.

Child abusers and rapists are at the bottom of the hierarchy and other prisoners gain status and feelings of self-worth by showing contempt for them and, as has been seen many times, attacking them (Jeffrey Dahmer).

My sympathies in this case are not with the child abusers and rapists. I would feel the world was somehow worse and justice less served if the torturer/murderer in this case could live out his sentence in a comfortable and pleasant Norwegian-style prison.

Knowing that he will spend his sentence despised and in fear is not something that worries me a lot. He deserves it, Sara didn't.

This is just so odd. I am unable to fathom why you feel anyone posting here would think anyone is imprisoned in bellmarsh is a fine upstanding citizen.

im sorry but it is now so odd, I will not respond to you further.

Dahmer was a serial killer of adult males. What was the code of honour for attacking him?

No one has suggested anyone serves their sentence in a pleasant Norwegian (?) Prison. The point is it shouldn't be up to other violent offenders to think it is their job to run the show. It isn't.