So errrr what is the UK doing right now to enable its citizens to prepare for an attack from Russia?

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Are we just going for the head in the sand approach or are we going to get a pamphlet or something?

I watched it a couple of weeks ago. I'm thankful my parents didn't let me watch it when it first came out.

I will just hope it will be over quickly. I don't want to live in a nuclear winter.

Modern Russian Governance is more akin to Peaky Blinders than the old Soviet Union. It's an organised crime syndicate that has found itself in possession of destructive weapons, not a well organised state. This is why they can create havoc but winning is not the objective, such as in Ukraine. War deflects attention from the domestic so war perpetuates the crime syndicate's power.

Russia will never invade or attempt to send a nuclear missile at NATO territory because it is not in the crime syndicate's interests. A lot of their money is hidden in banks in NATO territory for a start. The Russian leadership pick on the weak around them, they wouldn't dare risk their position by picking on the strong.

Kind of annoying to see people mocking the Swedish pamphlets with such derision. It’s not as if the Swedish government are distributing these for shits and giggles. And the very fact they issue each household with a paper one is probably in recognition of the fact that an infrastructure attack (internet down, no power etc) is among the more likely scenarios, rendering a digital version pretty useless at the exact point it is needed.

The pamphlet is really good, it’s calm, clear and concrete, and talks you through exactly what to do in the event of different kinds of crises or war. As well as how to be well prepared for these. There are detailed lists for example of the supplies one should have at home ready, what kinds of foods etc etc, what kind of emergency kit for surviving different situations (bearing in mind that the warmest parts of Sweden are sub zero for several months a year, and the coldest are already now in mid November at -20 something.).

It tells you the meanings of the different alarm signals and what to do / where to go if you hear each kind, plus which radio station to listen to (on your wind up radio!) to get official info. It tells you about protection rooms (public bunkers) and what to expect if you have to use them, and how to identify the location of your nearest ones.

It also explains what to do if you have a war or civilian defence placement (all civilians between 16-70 some kind of placement, some, but not all know theirs already, others would be distributed as needed).

The chances of us needing to use the booklet are probably lower than not needing it, but it’s extremely useful to have and I would refer to it without doubt if needed. It saves a whole population frantically scrabbling around in crisis trying to second guess what to do and how to help themselves and others.

We all know that in the event of a nuclear attack then those directly impacted geographically have little chance, but nuclear war is FAR from the only threat to Europe so it makes sense surely to be as well prepared as possible?

I said to DP, ex military, I'm very worried about us getting attacked by Russia. He said no, if the Russians nuke anywhere it will be the Ukraine. But he did suggest replacing our COVID emergency fray bentos pie with a fray bentos that's actually in date. Tbh, I may take my chances with the Russians.

You’re screwed if you even need to ask that question!
anyone even remotely into prepping is way ahead of you

I think they already did by advising people to have a stock of non perishable food, water etc. There's not much else we can do. I think it would be kinder not to tell us if a nuclear bomb was on the way.

The money would be better spent on other pressing issues, such as the state of the NHS

Nice thought, @PumpkinPurple, except they'd still be having committee meetings about committee meetings concerning who's going to sit on the nuclear committee by the time the blast arrived

As with Covid, people enjoy getting themselves into a lather but there's simply no point when there's bugger all we can do about it. Best just get on with your day and ration the bog roll

Minimum of 3 litres of water per person per day, and 10 litres per person for maximum comfort. That's a lot of bottled water!

I thought "ooooo looting sounds fun, I need new thermal socks...." what has happened to me! Why am I so old!!!

We're doing nothing, just like covid. And when other countries warn us, we still do nothing. Then we act surprised and use the word "unprecedented" a lot.

Yes me too. We will be the first to get it and conveniently, it is target shaped to make life easier for all.

My ex helped build it and he questioned why it didn't have red and white rings for clarification and the avoidance of doubt.

The sad thing is that Putin doesn't give a shit about his citizens so would see nuclear engagement as a much more viable option than pretty much any other country would.

We all need to practice kissing our asses goodbye. Those that survived the early stages would die hideously in the short, medium and long term.

I'm clearing out the cupboard under the stairs so I can hide in it. ( in reality, there is bugger all we can do).

My goodness have you been reading the daily mail? Where they will go silent on the wars then all of a sudden pop up a radicalised headline like they did yesterday? I read their headlines yesterday and they do make you shudder. But what I also do is check in with all of the media outlets and compare to what is being reported. Compare what is people talked about over socials. You quickly see it’s a sensationalised headline. It came up yesterday as today is 1000 days of war for Russia and Ukraine. I mean do they really think putin has waited to get to day 1000 to escalate. Nah he would have already. Why are they going on about USA missiles? Getting this in before trump takes over to again control and agenda? Frighten people?

have you not noticed that the headlines about war have been quiet for the last few weeks. I follow loads of Gaza pages for example and they have not appeared on my feed. Then again periodically that’s all I read about. It’s all bloody managed what you read and how they want to frighten you.

Actually I think you’re wrong.
I’m a rural remainer who laments the loss of the one.nation tories. Can’t stand Farage.

I support the farmers and I worry about the other things too. Because human beings are capable of complex thought.

I say we hit it hard, and we hit if fast with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.
If that doesn't work I suggest a whist drive.

Russia isn't going to directly attack the UK. We don't have a land border (unlike Norway and Finland) which rules out any conventional warfare. They aren't going to launch a strategic nuclear attack because MAD (plus it's very unlikely that their nukes actually work). It's not the 80s - Russia is not a credible nuclear threat.

They are already waging hybrid warfare against us - MI5 regularly foil sabotage plots, the Navy regularly escorts off Russian vessels taking an interest in our undersea communication, power, and gas connections.

Expect to see an increase in sabotage at sea and on land. The RAF, the Royal Navy and MI5 are going to have a very busy time of it.

Where we are asleep at the wheel is on the information war - so many disaffected young men are buying into the Putin worldview as disseminated by his useful idiots in the West. It's radicalisation that Al-Quaeda could only have dreamed of, intent on destroying the Western hegemony by turning our own young men against the very institutions that stand between them and the abyss.

EDIT: duh, Norway not Sweden. Basic geog, fail, see me after class.

Correct.

That's what my plan is after recently watching the nuclear bomb film from the 80s ?

I'm now wistfully wondering if all my neighbours would start bringing me pie, or cake or cookies if I tell them I've a bunker under my artificial grass

@user9086572

'Cover and take dick might be a more pleasant way to go'

Well that's one idea. Not sure lesbians would agree 😂😂

Get in the bath and cover it with a door...I'm sure that was some government advice early 80s.

If we're being serious for a moment this is precisely my own view, ShinyShona

The criminal gangs running the place may not care about their people, but they care about their own interests and burning down the west would hardly serve them - though the concept may suit the propagandised masses who've become persuaded that everyone's "out to get" Mother Russia

I live about 10 miles from Hinkley Point so luckily won't have to worry about any of this

That really made me laugh 😂

No, he's spent over a decade building up to this.

It wasn't you that suggested we should watch the Tucker interview was it? Because that's a good introduction to the entirely fictional narrative that Putin has been building up to justify Russian actions. And why Russia must not be rewarded for annexation and invasion of the sovereign territories of neighbouring nations.

Like this one? https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1500124311